Originally posted by chomperx9
I also suggest we have some back up modding for the mods that troll in the Batman and Hulk vs threads. as much as these threads get spammed and trolled every day, we dont need any additional fanboy spamming, serious wise or joke wise. the same rules should apply to everyone no matter what word is bolded under the name. If spamming is not allowed in other character threads but its allowed on the more popular character threads, than you are encouraging others to spam as well in other threads.Like right now for example, maybe im trolling right now, why ? well because it has been allowed in other threads like mentioned above, so that gives me the right to do it here. see my point ?
I think we all can make a difference here as long as we put our minds straight on what is best for all of us equally instead of individually.
Originally posted by chomperx9WARNED!
yeah, was just giving bada a hard time thats all 😄
Originally posted by JakeTheBankThe dur is stroooooong with you.
Well, this is a serious kind of discussion thread to make the forum potentially better...duryes
Okay guys, let's get back to the topic. Pr put some thought into this thread and we should be mindful of that. I'm gonna have to start warning people, starting with me. 😮
I guess it's time I contribute a bit to the thread discussion.
[list][*]Hulk: WWH/current Hulk seem to be the most powerful versions. We get this from the dialogue. I don't see why prior Hulk feats wouldn't be allowed.
[*]Prep: Unless otherwise stated, there is no prep involved in the matches. The CB vs forum rules state as much.
[*]Speed: Characters like Flash and Superman have ridiculous speed. They have shown their speed multiple times, ways and in several titles. The full capacity rule covers their use of speed. Default forum setting bring the fight from a featureless arena. That means no collateral damage to buildings or injuries to bystanders. Not only does this let us debate the characters at full power, it takes a lot of PIS out of the matches. I don't think Flash would use the I.M.P. right at the start unless bloodlust was on.
[*]Standard equipment: This is also covered in the rules. Think of what a character normally carries. Now imagine the characters get plucked from wherever they happen to be into the arena. Get the idea?
[*]Insane Genis: I don't know enough about the character to make an informed opinion. But the most popular opinion around the boards is that he should be a separate character regarding threads. I made a Sentry/Void thread a while back and that seems applicable to Insane Genis. As I said, I don't know enough about the character and could be dead wrong.
[*]Thor, Silver Surfer & combat speed: I'm not a Silver Surfer expert but do read the titles. I have never seen Surfer using super speed in combat. The most I've seen is him knocking away missiles. I've seen a few feats from Thor. These feats span years. So I'm a bit iffy on his combat speed. I would appreciate any scans to show Surfer and Thor combat speed feats. And I realize this hurts Marvel characters a lot more than DC characters. But we're not responsible for Marvel's portrayal of characters. I wish they'd show Thor fighting with his "godlike" speed more.
[*]Character amps/upgrades: I'm not sure if we're talking about giving Batman a GL ring/Cap getting Mjolnir or attributing characters powers and equipment they don't actually have and trying to justify it as part of them. I'm okay with the first part. The second part is trolling imo and it happens way too much.
[*]In character: Superman and Thor tend to hold back in comics, a lot. This isn't because they're stupid or forget they have an array of powers. It's mainly because when they go all out, mountains and buildings will crumble. The full capacity rule and default location take care of most of any self imposed limitations. Does it mean they'll kill right at the go? No, unless bloodlust is stated in the OP.
[*]Sharing feats: Beta Ray Bill and Thor have similar powers. So they share some basic attacks, skills, etc. If Thor does something really exotic Mjolnir, it does not mean BRB could copy or use that feat unless he's done something similar. All GL rings can do the same things. So they share basic attacks, functions, potential, etc. If Hal does something really exotic with his ring, it doesn't mean Random GL #17 could copy or use that feat
[*]Everyone needs to read the rules. I'm seeing too many irrelevant questions in threads about stipulations. Is there prep, does character A have item Z, how far away are they, where are they fighting, etc. Those items are all covered in the rules.
[*]I also see to many people who may know one character in the thread but next to nothing about the opponent. If you're going to say Thor beats Superman or Batman beats Captain America, then you better know both sides of the fight. Those are close matches and I can always tell which people only read Marvel or DC when they post.[/list]
Originally posted by Omega VisionSeems redundant because the forum rules explicitly state how Flash fights on the forum.
I think for Flash it might be prudent to specify in threads whether its 'normal' Flash or 'okay enough ****ing around, lets get serious' Flash.
I know you're trying to make things more productive, but it shouldn't have to be explained. Especially when people argue the same tactics for Superman, Wonder Woman, Strange and the like being max potential.
Originally posted by BadabingI suggest we make a thread where we discuss the aspect for each of the characters, with all the pro and counter arguments, at length.
[list][*]Thor, Silver Surfer & combat speed: I'm not a Silver Surfer expert but do read the titles. I have never seen Surfer using super speed in combat. The most I've seen is him knocking away missiles. I've seen a few feats from Thor. These feats span years. So I'm a bit iffy on his combat speed. I would appreciate any scans to show Surfer and Thor combat speed feats. And I realize this hurts Marvel characters a lot more than DC characters. But we're not responsible for Marvel's portrayal of characters. I wish they'd show Thor fighting with his "godlike" speed more.[/list]
I personally think this one is covered but maybe some clarification could be used since it has mostly attained to speed thus far.
For me CIS and Full-Potential often seem to be brought in contrast to each other.
Thor full-potential would be too much for Hulk to handle, yet people constantly scream CIS that he would in fact fight in a manner that gives Hulk a chance.
Superman is much the same way Superman's wide breath of abilities make him too versatile for Hulk to handle but people argue that it is in character for him to try and sit there and let Hulk possibly net a few wins by not going all out at the beginning and I'm not just talking about speed.
This can be said for a number of characters.
My idea has always been that in Forum Fights we are trying to find out how characters would do against each other with them using their abilities to the best while not deviating from their core values such as not killing.
I've always felt that Thor/Green Lantern/Superman wouldn't really limit the scope of their abilities just tone them back to a level that wouldn't kill their opponents outright, or if they have a tactic such as BFR or incapacitating they could and should be allowed to use it in the beginning.
And that if we want to see more limited battles that is what stipulations are for.
Originally posted by Badabing
I guess it's time I contribute a bit to the thread discussion.[*]Thor, Silver Surfer & combat speed: I'm not a Silver Surfer expert but do read the titles. I have never seen Surfer using super speed in combat. The most I've seen is him knocking away missiles.
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Issues like this are extremely contentious because they arise from different interpretations of different on panel occurences. To have some form of definitive forum ruling (not sure if thats what you are trying to do though) on them would largely take away from the discussion regarding these characters imo as on panel interpretations are fundamental tools of debating. I an tell you for certain that Silver has used superspeed i combat on multiple occassions, and there would be a large amount of reasonable people who when presented with the evidence would agree with me. Either way in such matters i think both sides of the debate are necessary when these characters are being discussed.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaOk maybe Respect Threads are out but Character Discussion threads should be perfect for that. As it what it is said to be. A thread to Discuss characters. I know Thor has one.
The respect thread is a monologue of cherry-picking and mis-interpretations, while trying to push an agenda.No, it's not the same thing.
Why would we discuss that in character discussion thread - in the comic book forum, where it's mostly story discussion related, instead of simply making a thread on the vs forum, and establishing the general consensus on what level both of them are?
I'm also not sure what you're trying to achieve here. You think that if it goes bad for Thor it would get lost in the character discussion thread and thus soon forgotten?
