Flash vs. Void

Originally posted by Uriel005
Leo I think where we are coming into conflict is how we see the speed force. I see it as it's own separate entity from the flash and on it's own separate from the Flash it is a skyfather-abstract entity when it comes to kinetic energy. Flash and other speedsters are just the consciousness that directs it more than anything else IMO. Again I say it's not really the Flash people are fighting against. It's the speedforce itself that they have to get around to defeat Flash and the Speedforce is absolute in power when it comes to kinetic energy. Kind of like Jakeem Thunder on a more specific capability.

i agree, we DO see it differently. i see the SF as i see the quantum zone, for instance. the q-zone is a potentially infinite source of energy. like the negative zone, that the nega-bands focus energy through. however, like those others, it's power--and it's affect on others--is only as great as the wielder itself. while the q-zone is a source of infinite energy, quasar himself cannot direct or utilize the 'infinite nature' of the q-zone.

the SF may be a source of infinite energy. and that's fine. that does NOT necessarily mean flash can USE all that energy, or that an energy wielder of equal, or greater competency, can't stop his attempts at controlling said individual's own energy control.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agree, we DO see it differently. i see the SF as i see the quantum zone, for instance. the q-zone is a potentially infinite source of energy. like the negative zone, that the nega-bands focus energy through. however, like those others, it's power--and it's affect on others--is only as great as the wielder itself. while the q-zone is a source of infinite energy, quasar himself cannot direct or utilize the 'infinite nature' of the q-zone.

the SF may be a source of infinite energy. and that's fine. that does NOT necessarily mean flash can USE all that energy, or that an energy wielder of equal, or greater competency, can't stop his attempts at controlling said individual's own energy control.

Void, easily.

isn't sentry/void's "speed" based on time dilation as shown in the original mini? would this not significantly alter the extent to which flash could steal void's "speed" or incapacitate him? void's infini tendrils are described as showing scary images of the past present and future. this also seems to suggest some sort of time based component to an essentially uber matter manipulator and telepathy monster who can endlessly reform if it wills it. wouldn't that eventually wear flash down at some point?