Re: Re: Rank DC MMAs
Even with the scream, that's IMO one of her better showings, considering what WC did earlier.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shiva
Bronze Tiger
Cass
Cass beat Shiva multiple times and Tiger bows to her as better.
Cassandra being a bit better than Shiva is one of the most definitive parts of the rankings.
Cass slighty ahead of Shiva-I think the count is tied 2,2. However in one of the fights Cass didn't have her ability to read moves, and in the second one Mr. Freeze interfered (Shiva was winning anyway though). But Cass did kill Shiva in their last fight.
Bronze Tiger third barely ahead of Bruce. He beat Bruce already but Bruce has gotten better while Tiger's feats are lacking.
Black Canary has gotten a significant push ever since she beat Savant and underwent training similar to Shiva.
Connor Hawke performed well doing the monkey cult arc and even made Shiva bleed and possible broke some of her bones. Recently, however not many feats.
Nightwing keeps getting better and Jason Todd has had good showings against Dick.
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Originally posted by Q99
Even with the scream, that's IMO one of her better showings, considering what WC did earlier.Cass beat Shiva multiple times and Tiger bows to her as better.
Cassandra being a bit better than Shiva is one of the most definitive parts of the rankings.
Get a pen and write this down, because I've tiered of saying it. CASS BEATS SHIVA BECAUSE OF CIS. Done. It has been stated, on panel, that Cass beats Shiva because Shiva has a death wish and wants Cass to kill her. Batgirl is not more skilled than Shiva.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Get a pen and write this down, because I've tiered of saying it. CASS BEATS SHIVA BECAUSE OF CIS. Done. It has been stated, on panel, that Cass beats Shiva because Shiva has a death wish and wants Cass to kill her. Batgirl is not more skilled than Shiva.
I'm pretty sure I've pointed out several times that repeating it doesn't make it true.
What you're overlooking is Cass said she had been traveling the world seeking her own death. I.e. that's how she fights against everyone, not a Cass-specific thing.
And, again, multiple times no less, and everyone, Shiva included, calls it a proper win.
Not to mention Cassandra has better feats in many areas like speed, dodginess, and facing superhuman foes.
I can see calling them on the same level. But no-one in the DC universe seems to agree with you, and it really isn't CIS when it's both entirely consistent with Cassandra's overall performance, and the reason you claim is something that is mentioned to be a general thing and not specific to fighting Cassandra.
You can call CIS a hundred times, but it'd still be wrong every single time.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Actually MOST of them were martial artists before becoming mma fighters. Ground and pound is essential in the sport so I dont get your problem with it. You may have had an argument 12-15 years ago when most Mma fighters were tough brawlers but now its different just shows you know squat about the sport 😐
oh give me a break so most of them took some karate classes or something in that area so we should call them martial artists? if you go to some freakin karate class in your suburbs 3 times a week and after that go eat pizza while playing black ops should i consider you a martial artist? give me a break i come from the world of martial arts and when i look at how MOST not all but MOST and specially heavy weights fight i just see random punches not directed at all to any particular target, a well trained martial artist throws an acurate punch which connects to the opponent not throwing around dozens of punches hoping one of them will connect and KO the opponent
i know GSP had some background machida and couple more and i am not talking only about karate background i am talking overall, but most of the fighters are goons that after entering ufc went and trained in "boxing" and "bjj" and they cant use it properly they are trying to do something on the ground but only people like you who cant understand how the things are suppose to be would think they are trained
they throw big names and ritch history of so called martial art training but when you see them fight you just see big goons exchanging blows , most of them are punching so randomly and look at the people who dominate the UFC... juniour dos santos? cain? or big foot silva? i know he is from strike force but still...they dont know anything special they just brawl but due to there endurance and punching power they manage to beat everybody up, as i said roid up gorilaz
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
what feats does connor hawke have?
holding his own against shiva (bruising and even possibly breaking bones, something she remarked hadn't happened in a long time). beating a guy that nightwing and robin working together couldn't take down in h2h. holding his own against batgirl while trying to talk her down at the same time.
iirc he was also stated by batman to be the second best MA in all of dc.
a lot of that (from what i remember, and it has been a while) was in dixon's run, and with that ymmv.
Originally posted by -Pr-
iirc he was also stated by batman to be the second best MA in all of dc.
Not too long before Cass came along and stole his thunder 🙂
When he first came out they pushed him hard, but that eased up a bit. He is definitely in the 'good enough to provide a tough fight to anyone,' category like Canary and current Dick, but I have trouble ranking him among the very top fighters.
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Originally posted by Q99
I'm pretty sure I've pointed out several times that repeating it doesn't make it true.What you're overlooking is Cass said she had been traveling the world seeking her own death. I.e. that's how she fights against everyone, not a Cass-specific thing.
And, again, multiple times no less, and everyone, Shiva included, calls it a proper win.
Not to mention Cassandra has better feats in many areas like speed, dodginess, and facing superhuman foes.
I can see calling them on the same level. But no-one in the DC universe seems to agree with you, and it really isn't CIS when it's both entirely consistent with Cassandra's overall performance, and the reason you claim is something that is mentioned to be a general thing and not specific to fighting Cassandra.
You can call CIS a hundred times, but it'd still be wrong every single time.
It was directly stated on panel that Cass beat Shiva because she had a deathwish... the fact the same deathwish would apply to her other loses around the same time period, doesn't change that fact it was the reason Cass was able to defeat Shiva. If you would like to throw aspersions on other Lady Shiva loses, then by my guest, most of them already have extenuating circumstances that allowed for her defeat in the first place. Cass beat Shiva because of CIS, not because she was more skilled, saying that the CIS would apply to all her loses doesn't somehow remove it as a reason for Cass winning... it just makes it a circumstance that needs to be considered during all her loses around the same time period.
Originally posted by optic_blast!!!You can shut up now you proved you know jack squat have a nice day
oh give me a break so most of them took some karate classes or something in that area so we should call them martial artists? if you go to some freakin karate class in your suburbs 3 times a week and after that go eat pizza while playing black ops should i consider you a martial artist? give me a break i come from the world of martial arts and when i look at how MOST not all but MOST and specially heavy weights fight i just see random punches not directed at all to any particular target, a well trained martial artist throws an acurate punch which connects to the opponent not throwing around dozens of punches hoping one of them will connect and KO the opponenti know GSP had some background machida and couple more and i am not talking only about karate background i am talking overall, but most of the fighters are goons that after entering ufc went and trained in "boxing" and "bjj" and they cant use it properly they are trying to do something on the ground but only people like you who cant understand how the things are suppose to be would think they are trained
they throw big names and ritch history of so called martial art training but when you see them fight you just see big goons exchanging blows , most of them are punching so randomly and look at the people who dominate the UFC... juniour dos santos? cain? or big foot silva? i know he is from strike force but still...they dont know anything special they just brawl but due to there endurance and punching power they manage to beat everybody up, as i said roid up gorilaz