Originally posted by Omega Vision
T2.I have my doubts about the PR working on Lobo 😛
Team 1 with some difficulty.
Zoom is the biggest threat, but surfer is better- in addition to speed, the PC does extend to time based powers, so I'd say he's the best suited to deal with him.
A non jobbing ghost rider is virtually indestructible to anything non magical. nobody on this list can put him down, and his attacks damage souls. even henshaw is going to be vulnerable to a soul-based attack.
Sinestro's ring is powerful, but Thor is a tank, and when equipped with mjolnir he's virtually impossible to take out with the ring's energy based powers. constructs and energy attacks will simply be absorbed, amped 500x, and turned back on the user.
etc etc
Originally posted by Space M ummyYour trying to say black adam isn't magic...
Team 1 with some difficulty.Zoom is the biggest threat, but surfer is better- in addition to speed, the PC does extend to time based powers, so I'd say he's the best suited to deal with him.
A non jobbing ghost rider is virtually indestructible to anything non magical. nobody on this list can put him down, and his attacks damage souls. even henshaw is going to be vulnerable to a soul-based attack.
Sinestro's ring is powerful, but Thor is a tank, and when equipped with mjolnir he's virtually impossible to take out with the ring's energy based powers. constructs and energy attacks will simply be absorbed, amped 500x, and turned back on the user.
etc etc
Originally posted by iceman24567
Adam is basically a magical construct
I'm aware, but dam's attacks aren't typically portrayed as being magical attacks per se.
My basis for this is that superman has fought the marvels before, and doesn't appear to have any real disadvantage against them despite his magical weakness.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
They mess him up when they charge their fists with magic. Cap'n Marvel has one shotted Supes with it, granted it was a cheap shot.
I remember Adam did this to superboy prime (and it didn't work), but didn't think it was something they were able to do normally.
I stand corrected there then, but I still don't think even the fist charge is going to be enough magic power to permanently put down ghost rider.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I remember Adam did this to superboy prime (and it didn't work), but didn't think it was something they were able to do normally.I stand corrected there then, but I still don't think even the fist charge is going to be enough magic power to permanently put down ghost rider.
Yeah Prime doesn't have the magic weakness.
Originally posted by Space M ummyI would think Adam's lightning would be just about the most powerful magical attack that team two could muster.
I remember Adam did this to superboy prime (and it didn't work), but didn't think it was something they were able to do normally.I stand corrected there then, but I still don't think even the fist charge is going to be enough magic power to permanently put down ghost rider.
I don't really see why Ghost Rider would stand as a threat to anybody on team two due to a simple inability to actually hit them, with the exception of Mongul. I suppose that could change if they were too preoccupied battling Nate Grey or others to dodge, but that's hard to say.
I dunno if Ghost Rider could return from the type of BFR that, say, Sinestro could muster, but I imagine that removing him even temporarily from the battlefield would leave him until the end when Adam could take care of him.
All speculation though. Adam could be taken out of the equation before he poses a threat to Ghost Rider. Five on five matches are never really clear cut.
Originally posted by ExistereAgreed. team fights are hard to judge because often times it comes down to who defeats who first which isn't really how this is supposed to go but it is difficult to predict how a full on fight goes with people randomly tossing blasts in for assists as well as trading off and doubleteaming while someone solos two other opponents.
I would think Adam's lightning would be just about the most powerful magical attack that team two could muster.I don't really see why Ghost Rider would stand as a threat to anybody on team two due to a simple inability to actually hit them, with the exception of Mongul. I suppose that could change if they were too preoccupied battling Nate Grey or others to dodge, but that's hard to say.
I dunno if Ghost Rider could return from the type of BFR that, say, Sinestro could muster, but I imagine that removing him even temporarily from the battlefield would leave him until the end when Adam could take care of him.
All speculation though. Adam could be taken out of the equation before he poses a threat to Ghost Rider. Five on five matches are never really clear cut.
Originally posted by Existere
[B]I would think Adam's lightning would be just about the most powerful magical attack that team two could muster.
again, it takes a LOT of damage to permanently put down GR, and doing it requires a serious magical assault. the weaker version (dan ketch?) has been reduced to ash before, and completely regenerated in one panel. There's also several scans in the respect thread of GR fighting and defeating Strange. He's knocked down, but up again almost immediately- pissed off and in pain but not actually damaged.
Adam's lightning <<<<<<<<<<< Strange's attacks.
I don't really see why Ghost Rider would stand as a threat to anybody on team two due to a simple inability to actually hit them, with the exception of Mongul. I suppose that could change if they were too preoccupied battling Nate Grey or others to dodge, but that's hard to say.
There isn't really any definitive limit on how fast GR is any more than there is on how powerful he is. At max level Ghost Rider has the full power of Zarathos- Zarathos is an archdemon somewhere around mephisto's power level. This is why Strange said GR was capable of taking down WWH.
There's also scans in the respect thread of a pair of high ranking angels referring to the power of the GR as a "four alarm fire. Cross THAT at your peril". I couldn't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure archangels are pretty damn fast.
I dunno if Ghost Rider could return from the type of BFR that, say, Sinestro could muster, but I imagine that removing him even temporarily from the battlefield would leave him until the end when Adam could take care of him.
GR has the ability to cross dimensions, though it's usually between the earthly and spiritual realms. I don't think BFRing him is really an option.
Originally posted by Existerewith his bike he can reach anywhere, including other dimensions. but on ffot it might be a different matter
I would think Adam's lightning would be just about the most powerful magical attack that team two could muster.I don't really see why Ghost Rider would stand as a threat to anybody on team two due to a simple inability to actually hit them, with the exception of Mongul. I suppose that could change if they were too preoccupied battling Nate Grey or others to dodge, but that's hard to say.
I dunno if Ghost Rider could return from the type of BFR that, say, Sinestro could muster, but I imagine that removing him even temporarily from the battlefield would leave him until the end when Adam could take care of him.
All speculation though. Adam could be taken out of the equation before he poses a threat to Ghost Rider. Five on five matches are never really clear cut.
Originally posted by Space M ummyWith Strange, it entirely depends on the attacks he uses and the context that the battle takes place in, so elaboration would be nice. I wouldn't say that on average his magical assaults seem to be more powerful than Adam's lightning.
again, it takes a LOT of damage to permanently put down GR, and doing it requires a serious magical assault. the weaker version (dan ketch?) has been reduced to ash before, and completely regenerated in one panel. There's also several scans in the respect thread of GR fighting and defeating Strange. He's knocked down, but up again almost immediately- pissed off and in pain but not actually damaged.Adam's lightning <<<<<<<<<<< Strange's attacks.
There isn't really any definitive limit on how fast GR is any more than there is on how powerful he is. At max level Ghost Rider has the full power of Zarathos- Zarathos is an archdemon somewhere around mephisto's power level. This is why Strange said GR was capable of taking down WWH.
There's also scans in the respect thread of a pair of high ranking angels referring to the power of the GR as a "four alarm fire. Cross THAT at your peril". I couldn't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure archangels are pretty damn fast.
GR has the ability to cross dimensions, though it's usually between the earthly and spiritual realms. I don't think BFRing him is really an option.
None of those are actually speed feats for Ghost Rider, and 'pretty damn fast' could still be like, say, Black Bolt speed. Fast, but not nearly approaching Black Adam, Cyborg Superman, Sinestro, Lobo's bike or Zoom.
What if Sinestro simply removes GR from his bike and tosses him into orbit?
Originally posted by Existere
With Strange, it entirely depends on the attacks he uses and the context that the battle takes place in, so elaboration would be nice. I wouldn't say that on average his magical assaults seem to be more powerful than Adam's lightning.None of those are actually speed feats for Ghost Rider, and 'pretty damn fast' could still be like, say, Black Bolt speed. Fast, but not nearly approaching Black Adam, Cyborg Superman, Sinestro, Lobo's bike or Zoom.
What if Sinestro simply removes GR from his bike and tosses him into orbit?
none of them are speed feats, because marvel never bothered to put a limit on how fast GR is. Again, his powers are demonic in origin, and he functions currently as the spirit of vengeance for God in the MU. He seems to be "as fast as he needs to be." Dr. Strange described the full power of zarathos/ghost rider as "potentially limitless", and something like "speed" would seem to be a limit, no?
as unlikely as being punched into orbit would be, GR can summon that bike. If he's BFR'ed somewhere, he'll just summon the bike and return.
What happens if he wraps Sinestro in unbreakable chains, burning his soul with hellfire and dragging him to hell? What about the (far more likely) scenario of getting close enough to use the penance stare?
Oddly enough though- Against heroes? GR actually isn't that big of a threat since they're mostly innocent. Against a pack of villains? GR will be very interested in using his full power avenging the innocent against someone like Sinestro.
edit: I'm not sure why you're using Sinestro vs. Ghost Rider though, since I argued it would be Thor who's far more likely to take him on.