Originally posted by Prep-Man
Lobo is what tips it for team 2 for me. He has an insane will power and can even resist reality warping abilities. If he's at his loony tune levels, Team 2 wins. If not, team 1.
lobo is weaksauce here. He doesn't have the ability to defend against a BFR (from Thor), Matter manipulation (surfer), Ridiculously powerful psychic attack (X-man), Or any one of the crazy soul damaging/hellfire attacks that Ghost rider is fond of. He's basically just a brick here.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
His space hog can teleport. Hell, even at times, he carries time machine type technology. He has protected himself from insane tp assaults from aliens that were to render entire wolds. Plus, hellfire won't do much. He's tanked Etrigan's hellfire and was in hell himself recently.
sounds like a fun character, but basically still screwed if he's BFR'ed somewhere. (I'm assuming Thor wouldn't be dumb enough to teleport him somewhere and let him keep his giant teleporting motorcycle.)
still, Lobo vs. GR sounds like it might be a fun fight if he's that used to fighting demons.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
sounds like a fun character, but basically still screwed if he's BFR'ed somewhere. (I'm assuming Thor wouldn't be dumb enough to teleport him somewhere and let him keep his giant teleporting motorcycle.)still, Lobo vs. GR sounds like it might be a fun fight if he's that used to fighting demons.
His space hog can pick him up. He can control it without being in the area. And Lobo was recently fighting earth's best mages, Zatanna, Sargon, Ibis, at the same time and still didn't do jack. His healing is the best in comics.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
His space hog can pick him up. He can control it without being in the area. And Lobo was recently fighting earth's best mages, Zatanna, Sargon, Ibis, at the same time and still didn't do jack. His healing is the best in comics.
Since (I'm assuming) he has a soul somewhere I still think GR would kill him (GR *DID* kill Lucifer at full power), but he does sound stronger than I gave him credit for.
Lobo vs. Ghostrider sounds like an interesting matchup, and Lobo certainly isn't innocent so the gloves are off.
How do you see Lobo vs. GR going down?
Well, GR could affect him, but since Lobo has a red ring, he's much more than a brick. He just has to use it. If Etrigan couldn't affect Lobo, then I doubt GR can. It's all up to whoever writes it. Like I said in the beginning, if Lobo is at his loony tunes level, I see team 2 taking it.
Also, Lobo fought Pulsar Stargrave. A pretty powerful cosmic computer.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Well, GR could affect him, but since Lobo has a red ring, he's much more than a brick. He just has to use it. If Etrigan couldn't affect Lobo, then I doubt GR can. It's all up to whoever writes it. Like I said in the beginning, if Lobo is at his loony tunes level, I see team 2 taking it.Also, Lobo fought Pulsar Stargrave. A pretty powerful cosmic computer.
I know about the red ring, but if he's never used it, and has no feats with it, it's basically a paperweight here.
Also, I'd argue that GR isn't Etrigan. Both are demons (though not of the same nature) but the similarity in the powerset sort of ends there.
GR has hellfire blasts which can be either heat based, OR directly damage the soul. Some quick and dirty searching did turn up that Lobo does have one of these, so if it exists, GR can damage it.
GR has a penance stare that inflicts all the pain one has dished out to others and reflects it back to you. It can do anything from render you knocked out, to comotose, to brain dead. The higher the level of pain you've dished out, the worse it is for you.
GR has indestructible chains he can summon from literally anywhere, and can be used as weapons, or just to restrain. WWH couldn't break these, and lobo isn't going to either.
GR is also physically indestructible. Lobo has a healing factor but this is leagues better. GR had his head shattered by a blast- it reforms. Had his leg torn off by a demon- instantly a new leg. Only serious, serious magical damage can put him down permanently. Lobo doesn't really have this in his arsenal.
Finally- for someone supposed to be a badass, Lobo seems to have died a LOT.
Clones: Large explosions in the airborne ships they were piloting. (L.E.G.I.O.N. ’89 #7)
Alternate future Lobo: Disintegrated by beams from Vril Dox/Lady Quark amalgam. (L.E.G.I.O.N. ’91 Annual #2)
Lobo: Blown in half by large gun. (Lobo’s Back #1)
Reincarnated-as-a-woman Lobo: Blown apart by WWII-era artillery. (Lobo’s Back #3)
Reincarnated-as-a-squirrel Lobo: Squashed when top half of Lobo’s original body fell on him. (Lobo’s Back #3)
Clones: Killed by large salvos of missiles fired by Vril Dox from a LEGION ship. (Lobo, Vol. 2, #9)
Lobo or Clone: Killed by the other. (Lobo, Vol. 2, #9)
Lobo: Charged with 500,000 volts, inhaling poisonous gas, a spike in the brain, and at least 17 severe blows to the head by a hydraulic hammer. (Lobo/Deadman: T.B.A.T.B. #1)
Lobo: Pulled in half by two farm tractors. (Lobo, Vol. 2, #32)
Lobo: Blown to pieces by the Bountyhuntin’ Robots and then pounded into liquid by the Goldstar Fanclub. (Lobo, Vol. 2, #53-54)
L’il Lobo: Blasted to pieces by Darkseid’s Parademons and the Black Racer. (Young Justice #36)
again, just some quick web searching turned that up- I can't vouch for how accurate it is, but his record of getting himself killed and coming back would make Jean Grey envious. None of that would even scratch GR- he'd reform and be up in seconds.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
For those who say Team 1...who do they feel beats Zoom?
Surfer. He's easily the fastest member of team 1, and in addition the power cosmic DOES have some kind of time based powers, allowing surfer to travel backwards, forwards, and across time.
defensively surfer's body is EXTREMELY durable- he's taken shots to the face from savage hulk without blinking, he can also shrink his body to microscopic size or go intangible at will, so zoom will have a hard time doing any kind of damage to him.
Offensively? Surfer has pretty much every power there is, and is an expert matter manipulator. Zoom is likely to be turned into a pile of bricks pretty quickly vs. surfer.
Etrigan has similar power set. BTW, Lobo has unbreakable chains as well. And Lobo can't die, he'll just come right back. Look at his respect thread. he was blown to skeleton state and still fought on. He's almost impossible to stop.
eh, I've said my piece here. GR is better offensively and defensively- again, without magic attacks, Lobo cannot injure ghost rider. at all.
Lobo has a healing factor, but it's not instantaneous as GR's is. When killed he's down long enough to be considered a loss on KMC, iirc.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Surfer. He's easily the fastest member of team 1, and in addition the power cosmic DOES have some kind of time based powers, allowing surfer to travel backwards, forwards, and across time.defensively surfer's body is EXTREMELY durable- he's taken shots to the face from savage hulk without blinking, he can also shrink his body to microscopic size or go intangible at will, so zoom will have a hard time doing any kind of damage to him.
Offensively? Surfer has pretty much every power there is, and is an expert matter manipulator. Zoom is likely to be turned into a pile of bricks pretty quickly vs. surfer.
eh, I've said my piece here. GR is better offensively and defensively- again, without magic attacks, Lobo cannot injure ghost rider. at all.
Lobo has a healing factor, but it's not instantaneous as GR's is. When killed he's down long enough to be considered a loss on KMC, iirc.