Zemo & Photon vs Flash & Zoom

Originally posted by 753
the writer is god in comics, so if he said it was lightspeed, it was. at best one can dismiss the feat for its inherent contradictions, but to claim that we should do the math and disregard the on panel narration that pretty much establishes what actually happens as false is absurd

That or dismiss the feat.

Originally posted by "Id"
No but..but.. we take values…and statements, and twist them to our convenience. All conveniently quantified.

You Monster!

Twisting events to ones favor would be what goes on when people discard feats they like for ones they don't, which happens... all the time. Given everybody has a different opinion on a character.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The writer said (and protrayed) a city being saved in that small amount of time. Actions that the comic has shown always goes over words. Earth/mountain example.

That or dismiss the feat. And actions...

Twisting events to ones favor would be what goes on when people discard feats they like for ones they don't, which happens... all the time. Given everybody has a different opinion on a character.

Originally posted by 753
nobody is denying he saved that city in that small amount of time. he did it. under light speed.

2.5 quintillion miles per second.

Wrong.

Well we can't have it all ways now can we?

I think we can, for all purposes relating to the DCU. For all purposes debate, the feat is inadmissible.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well light speed is just different in the DC then.

2.5 quintillion miles per second.

The nature of the feat isn't the issue, the narration is.

Although I did the calc at the time to point out how crazy the feat was, and it reached legendary status. Horrah for that.

Originally posted by Existere
I think we can, for all purposes relating to the DCU. For all purposes debate, the feat is inadmissible.

But yea, it is a "crazy feat". Either way, he has better.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The nature of the feat isn't the issue, the narration is.

Although I did the calc at the time to point out how crazy the feat was, and it reached legendary status. Horrah for that.

So he went "under the speed of light" at 2.5 quintillion miles per second. That's all ways.

But yea, it is a "crazy feat". Either way, he has better.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The nature of the feat isn't the issue, the narration is.

Although I did the calc at the time to point out how crazy the feat was, and it reached legendary status. Horrah for that.

So he went "under the speed of light" at 2.5 quintillion miles per second. That's all ways.

But yea, it is a "crazy feat". Either way, he has better.

I remember Galan pointing this out. The naration stated otherwise, but he was going beyond lightspeed. Anyway, Flash has had equal or better feats than that.

Yea, I stick by my statement, but it isn't a necessary feat.

Originally posted by 753
problem does not lie in the narration, but in its incogruence with real world physics, which really isn't that relevant

Originally posted by Existere
Right.

Reinterpreting feats to be more powerful than the writer's clear intention changes the nature of the feat and therefore establishes a different character to debate with than the one in comics.

We're a comics debating forum, and comic Flash accomplished that speed at light speed (or just below it). Therefore that is what happened, and we move forward.

Originally posted by "Id"
It was against Photon incarnation. He had assistance from Zemo with moonstones, a potent telepath (cant remember his name).

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
except that its impossible that he did it under light speed, so we either have to assume that the speed of light is different in the DCU or that he was traveling at a much higher speed

The writer did tell us how fast Wally was supposed to have been going (sub-c), but he also gave us the number of people he saved + the distance he traveled each way + the total time it took him to accomplish that feat -- which equates to him moving WELL in excess of c.

Conflicting narration = a bogus feat, imo. Plus, it's not like that is the only speed feat Flash has. /shrug

i dont see why it has to be thrown out if the only inconsistency is the speed

^ Because an argument can still be made that it was the writer's intent for Wally to be moving below the speed of light (hence him stating such 2 different times during that scene.)

I think it is safer to throw it out too. He has better feats, and really, I did that to show the insanity of the feat itself. It is good that it got attention. I'd still go for the numbers and the picture myself over that one line. But others might not. Some will, some won't.

Although if he can move at the attosecond, it doesn't seem out of the scope of his abilities, no matter how crazy the feat seems.