Originally posted by RobtardSo NC ports away just as force choke is executed. He reemerges 100 feet behind Vader. Is he force choked as he reemerges, even though Vader cannot see him and is not extending his hand towards him?Nightcrawler teleporting is completely different than dodging, he momentarily becomes intangible and dissapears(travels to a dif dimension in some versions). Apples to oranges.
Let's take YuLaw. Vader goes to force choke, YuLaw speed blitzes to the left, faster than Vader can track. Is YuLaw still force choked?
Originally posted by ares834And when Vader was TKing objects at Luke during their Cloud city duel? Why was he pointing his saber at them? Same answer? Why did Maul extend his hand and TK that piece of debris during the Naboo duel? Why does Sidious bother raising his hands when doing force lightning? Why were Yoda and Sidious gesturing at one another with their hands when they fought?
They do it to help them focus... That seems the most resonable answer.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And when Vader was TKing objects at Luke during their Cloud city duel? Why was he pointing his saber at them? Same answer? Why did Maul extend his hand and TK that piece of debris during the Naboo duel? Why does Sidious bother raising his hands when doing force lightning? Why were Yoda and Sidious gesturing at one another with their hands when they fought?
In all of those cases to help focus. Afterall, Luke's training with Yoda involves him levitating several rocks and guess what? No gestures! Even lightning does not require a gesture as Sidious can curve it as seen with his "battle" with Vader.
Originally posted by ares834Just saying, there are far more instances of hand gesturing than not.
In all of those cases to help focus. Afterall, Luke's training with Yoda involves him levitating several rocks and guess what? No gestures! Even lightning does not require a gesture as Sidious can curve it as seen with his "battle" with Vader.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So NC ports away just as force choke is executed. He reemerges 100 feet behind Vader. Is he force choked as he reemerges, even though Vader cannot see him and is not extending his hand towards him?Let's take YuLaw. Vader goes to force choke, YuLaw speed blitzes to the left, faster than Vader can track. Is YuLaw still force choked?
Good question and I can't say for certain either way. Vader has shown that distance isn't a problem (or much of one) when choking and Jedi/Sith can use the Force to effectively see, when their eyes can't.
I would say yes, as Yulaw is still in the world. With NC above, I have no idea were he goes (if anywhere) in the film while teleporting. Also, can someone move about when they're being Force-choked? It's a manner of holding, maybe Yulaw would break his own neck trying, considering his strength.
Originally posted by RobtardNo matter how you slice it, he had eye contact on all his victims.
Good question and I can't say for certain either way. Vader has shown that distance isn't a problem (or much of one) when choking and Jedi/Sith can use the Force to effectively see, when their eyes can't.
I would say yes, as Yulaw is still in the world. With NC above, I have no idea were he goes (if anywhere) in the film while teleporting. Also, can someone move about when they're being Force-choked? It's a manner of holding, maybe Yulaw would break his own neck trying, considering his strength.What I just said. Eye contact. Why else do you think he waited until Ozzel was on the viewscreen? It's not like he can be sitting around one day reading a magazine and say "You know, there's a guy on Hoth I'm pissed at. I can't see him, I don't know his exact location, but hey, I'm gonna force choke him."
Also, Vader knew the exact point in the universe where Ozzel was.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And it's entirely capable of focusing it on one small area, or a wide one. Why do you think a Jedi extends their hand when they force push? Why does Vader extend his hand and do a choking gesture when force choking?If Vader goes to force choke someone he aims specifically at their throat. If they move, it misses. Moot point, because all he has to do is refocus on their new location.
Example: If Vader goes to force choke Nightcrawler, is raising his hand and NC ports away before Vader executes, then NC is safe.
Youre still missing the point the force IS the area.
It could very well be that its a residual from training at an early age. There have been instances where no hand has been raised in such a manner or the gesture has been different but achieving the same effect. etc.
Aims with his mind...yes.
What you think thats Vaders HAND in that glove...? lolz
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No. I want specific instances and links. This whole "all the time" is bullshit. If you can't SHOW me, then stop wasting my time. And as far as "downplaying" the opposition, don't make me laugh. You're the worst one about passing off wizard power as "faggy emos with sticks in their hands."Come on now, I have faith in you:
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Lemmee take a guess.....Is it the Hogwarts/501st thread? The 20 Jedi/20 wizards thread? The Riggs/Mac thread where they are in a padded room?
No its not.
Your tactic relies on the improbability of the person being bothered to cite them.
"Prove to me that Ive used the word "again" (I'll only accept a complete list of my usages of the word ever".)
See how that works...? :rolleyes"
I know Ive used it. YOU know Ive used it, but you probably aren't going to search fro that which you know Ive used so many times, because they very idead that you should have to, in the face of the obviousness is really retarded.
Especially when you're just saying that for the 'benefit' of anyone else reading this, who will know already what you're like, most likely anyway....
Its patently absurd for you to deny something that you are known for so intensely. LOL upon LOL to be had there, at that.
Thats not downplaying: Thats because, scientifically speaking, what they are. 🙂
Prove otherwise. And you, BTW are the worst one, by 245 lengths. You thrash me utterly in the "Downplay" race.
You're basically the Michael Flatley of the downplaydance.
YouTube video (...with a touch of Richard Simmons too.)
At least Star Wars bothered to at least explain which ball park the Force falls into to...
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthSo, no links, eh? Figured as much. More hot wind from an empty bladder.
No its not.Your tactic relies on the improbability of the person being bothered to cite them.
"Prove to me that Ive used the word "again" (I'll only accept a complete list of my usages of the word ever".)
See how that works...? :rolleyes"
I know Ive used it. YOU know Ive used it, but you probably aren't going to search fro that which you know Ive used so many times, because they very idead that you should have to, in the face of the obviousness is really retarded.
Especially when you're just saying that for the 'benefit' of anyone else reading this, who will know already what you're like, most likely anyway....Its patently absurd for you to deny something that you are known for so intensely. LOL upon LOL to be had there, at that.
Thats not downplaying: Thats because, scientifically speaking, what they are. 🙂
Prove otherwise. And you, BTW are the worst one, by 245 lengths. You thrash me utterly in the "Downplay" race.
You're basically the Michael Flatley of the downplaydance.
YouTube video (...with a touch of Richard Simmons too.)At least Star Wars bothered to at least explain which ball park the Force falls into to...
"You did this, you did that", but no links proving it. K. You're done here, Champ. Pack it in.
I dont have to prove what is so commonly witnessed every day.
(BUT anyone wanting to see numerous attempts by RJ to gimp and getting called on it, include the
501st vs Hogwarts thread
Force army vs thread
Sidious Vs Voldemort thread and many, many, more...)
It would be like me saying Air exists:
...100% dumbness as we breathe it all the time. 🙂
Dance away, RJ..... Dance away.... 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No matter how you slice it, he had eye contact on all his victims.What I just said. Eye contact. Why else do you think he waited until Ozzel was on the viewscreen? It's not like he can be sitting around one day reading a magazine and say "You know, there's a guy on Hoth I'm pissed at. I can't see him, I don't know his exact location, but hey, I'm gonna force choke him."
Also, Vader knew the exact point in the universe where Ozzel was.
WTF, when did anyone say Vader could Force-attack someone he didn't have eye contact with? We're discussing your nonsense of Force-attacks being dodged, which they can't. Stop trying to change angles.
But Vader at the end of EP3 crushed shit all around him; he didn't have "eye contact" with everything. So there goes that.