Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And how did Vader direct the choke at Ozzel?
He focused on the area around his neck. But as you've been told and shown, there's no reason to believe that the Force shot out of Vader's hand and flew at the neck like some bullet or projectile. The Force is everywhere, all around; it's not being dodged.
How many times to do have to cover the same point, dude?
Originally posted by RobtardAnd if Ozzel was a teleporter and teleported to the other side of the Star Destroyer, what then?
He focused on the area around his neck. But as you've been told and shown, there's no reason to believe that the Force shot out of Vader's hand and flew at the neck like some bullet or projectile. The Force is everywhere, all around; it's not being dodged.How many times to do have to cover the same point, dude?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And if Ozzel was a teleporter and teleported to the other side of the Star Destroyer, what then?
We covered that too. I don't know; can't say for certain. The Force-choke might hold, as Force-users can effectively sense/see with the Force, or it could break, as teleporting is moving from one place to another without traveling between the two locations apparently.
Do teleporters momentarily travel somewhere else outside of reality? As I said, it's been hinted that (comics) Nightcrawler momemtarily traveled through hell while he ported.
But teleporting is an entirely different animal than dodging.
Thats still no-direct-line-of-sight.
And from a distance too.
Of course he knew where Ozzel was: He could most likely feel his prescence with the force, which makes sense as the force is what he used to kill Ozzel...
Also Luke closing his eyes whilst lifting Xwings, and Lightsabres from snowy ice...more evidence.
(Bruce and Robtard are absolutely right.)
Also, Vader never had eye contact AT all with anyone in OT...
His eyes saw computer readouts representing the outside world and such through eye pieces, IE it wasn't ever direct sight. 🙂
So?
Vader did not have eyes on at all...he had monitors on.
"Luke....just for once let me look on you with MY OWN eyes" not ring a bell?
BEFORE he lifted them...proving my point.
Eye contact is not a factor.
If Vader feels HG's prescence shes screwed.
In all three instances feeling them was involved.
Because of the way the force works.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthBecause he was then Anakin Skywalker again, not Darth Vader. He was looking at him as a father does his son, not as an enemy.
So?Vader did not have eyes on at all...he had monitors on.
"Luke....just for once let me look on you with MY OWN eyes" not ring a bell?
BEFORE he lifted them...proving my point.
Eye contact is not a factor.
If Vader feels HG's prescence shes screwed.In all three instances feeling them was involved.
Because of the way the force works.
"Escape is not his plan. I must face him, alone."....Now, why didn't Vader simply force choke Obi Wan at that moment? He felt him, why not force choke him? Why not force choke him in their first duel? Hell, why not force choke anyone he felt?
OK let's try this a different way. Episode IV. Let's say at the very beginning, one of Vader's spies came to him with news that Obi Wan and Yoda were alive. The spy had no clue where they were, just proof of their existence. Now, could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?
Nah.
Its shown in ROTS what his eye gear is.
Theres simply no denying it.
He wanted to best Obiwan in lightsabre combat...revenging himself in LS combat against the man who LS'd his arm and legs off back in ROTS.
Anakin always had an ego on about his LS prowess.
(Remember him saying he was even better than Yoda?
Pure ego...as Obiwan was forced to remind him.)
As for your strawman attempt, that never happened.
Lets stick to only what happened.....as per rules. 🙂
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"Escape is not his plan. I must face him, alone."....Now, why didn't Vader simply force choke Obi Wan at that moment? He felt him, why not force choke him? Why not force choke him in their first duel? Hell, why not force choke anyone he felt?
Because the force can be blocked by the use of the force. This is the reason Jedi/Sith battles usually don't just resort to rag dolling contests.
OK let's try this a different way. Episode IV. Let's say at the very beginning, one of Vader's spies came to him with news that Obi Wan and Yoda were alive. The spy had no clue where they were, just proof of their existence. Now, could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?
Force use does not give one omniscience. Had he felt there exact placement in the force he could have tried, although it would likely to no avail.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHe was no longer Darth vader. Every time he had looked on Luke, it had been as Darth Vader. When he said "Let me look on you with my own eyes" it was because he was Anakin Skywalker again, the chosen one, and he had just brought balance to the force, fulfilling the prophecy.
Nah.
Its shown in ROTS what his eye gear is.
Theres simply no denying it.
He wanted to best Obiwan in lightsabre combat.True.
Anakin always had an ego on about that.
Remember him saying he was even better than Yoda?
Pure ego...as Obiwan was forced to remind him.
As for your strawman attempt, that never happened.That never happened......My point exactly. If Vader is pissed at some douche across the galaxy, but cannot A: See him, or B: Know his exact location, he cannot force choke him. He is never, not ever, shown doing this, nor is any force user. It's not like he can force choke some random dude in the Outer rims.
Lets stick to only what happened.....as per rules. 🙂
Also I think there is likely something something to do with Honour/protocol to initiating a lightsabre fight.
("I must face him alone" could very well relate to that.)
Look at the way they all start. The Jedi and Sith combatants always start in the same manner.... The mutual revealing of the sabres, the adopting of stances the decloaking, often with a few formal words...
This could be out of respect of some force user's code or something.
Vader is just an adopted name, as we found out.
Are you saying he also grew back his limbs when he turned back? No. Course not. He died a quadriplegic in a suit for this very reason:
Anakin=Vader
Vader=Anakin
Same person.
Thats also why Anakin/Vader wanted to save Luke, when a "pure Vader" logically would have killed Luke.
As for him not choking people all across galaxies, thats probably a range thing. But if Super Star destroyer sized distances are enough, then this warehouse is gonna be an absolute piece of piss for Vader/Anakin.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthHonor? Lol at that, dude. Vader showed a lot of honor by killing younglings. Sidious showed a lot of honor when he ordered it.
Also I think there is likely something something to do with Honour/protocol to initiating a lightsabre fight.
("I must face him alone" could very well relate to that.)Look at the way they all start. The Jedi and Sith combatants always start in the same manner.... The mutual revealing of the sabres, the adopting of stances the decloaking, often with a few formal words...
This could be out of respect of some force user's code or something.
Vader is just an adopted name, as we found out.
Are you saying he also grew back his limbs when he turned back? No. Course not. He died a quadriplegic in a suit for this very reason:Anakin=Vader
Vader=AnakinSame person.
Thats also why Anakin/Vader wanted to save Luke, when a "pure Vader" logically would have killed Luke.
Obi Wan, from ANH: "He ceased being 'Anakin Skywalker' and became 'Darth Vader' ."
Anakin and Vader are physically the same person, but until ROTJ, Anakin was dormant. Vader was in control. "Same person", as you are implying, means that both personas co-existed at once. I know it's EU, but look up Kyp Durron.
As for him not choking people all across galaxies, thats probably a range thing. But if Super Star destroyer sized distances are enough, then this warehouse is gonna be an absolute piece of piss for Vader/Anakin.And....He knew where Ozzel was. Again: If Vader is pissed at some douche across the galaxy, but cannot A: See him, or B: Know his exact location, he cannot force choke him. He is never, not ever, shown doing this, nor is any force user. It's not like he can force choke some random dude in the Outer rims.