Being trained by Batman doesn't automatically make you "x" amount of skilled, though. Kyle Rayner dropped that line recently and still got beat in H2H by Sinestro. If we assume their skill proficiency is even - which based off respective feats, is plausible - I'm not sure how Superman will beat someone who possesses such a staggering weight advantage over him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Being trained by Batman doesn't automatically make you "x" amount of skilled, though. Kyle Rayner dropped that line recently and still got beat in H2H by Sinestro. If we assume their skill proficiency is even - which based off respective feats, is plausible - I'm not sure how Superman will beat someone who possesses such a staggering weight advantage over him.
That's true, but Superman does have some pretty good h2h skills. He was not only trained by Batman, but also by Wonder Woman. Kal also have is krytonian martial art to fall back on.
As for this fight, Thor wins.
If they're both powerless wouldn't that take away thor's weight advantage? His Asgardian physiology makes him more dense, and in effect weigh more, correct? So if his asgardian abilities and attributes are taken away, just as superman's kryptonian ones are taken away, they should be evenly matched.
Superman has had something like 1,000 years of combat alongside wonder woman in some odd alternate asgard or something in one superman arc iirc, but I think that thor has been alive longer and as a result probably has more battle experience. So thor would probably win, but not easily. Clark makes him work imo.
Originally posted by Sirius77
If they're both powerless wouldn't that take away thor's weight advantage? His Asgardian physiology makes him more dense, and in effect weigh more, correct? So if his asgardian abilities and attributes are taken away, just as superman's kryptonian ones are taken away, they should be evenly matched.Superman has had something like 1,000 years of combat alongside wonder woman in some odd alternate asgard or something in one superman arc iirc, but I think that thor has been alive longer and as a result probably has more battle experience. So thor would probably win, but not easily. Clark makes him work imo.
Depends on how Carv feels about it, imo. His Asgardian physiology contributes to his weight, which is 640 lbs iirc, and lends itself to his durability as he's more dense. If we remove his superstrength, durability, speed, Mjolnir, his god powers, etc, he would still be the same size; his mass wouldn't vanish and when's been depowered, there certainly hasn't been mention of him getting slimmer/weighing less, iirc.
Thor has much more than 1000 years of experience, yes. He's seen stars grow old and die which suggest he's very very old. Not to mention all the countless Ragnarok cycles he's endured and the fact he seems to remember them all as well, too.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Being trained by Batman doesn't automatically make you "x" amount of skilled, though. Kyle Rayner dropped that line recently and still got beat in H2H by Sinestro. If we assume their skill proficiency is even - which based off respective feats, is plausible - I'm not sure how Superman will beat someone who possesses such a staggering weight advantage over him.
Weight advantage isn't such a positive thing in a fight, in fact it can slow you down (especially as Thor no longer has his super-strength to throw it around so easily). And a heavier fighter doesn't automatically equal a win. So it's not really worth focusing on.
Besides I'm sure it's not a staggering weight difference. Supes is built like a tank as well as Thor. And there's only 3 or 4 inches height difference.
If both start out as normal humans in similar bodies (both weight 200lb) then this is a hard fight. Clark has shown very good MA skills, including pressure points, CA like maneuvering, etc. I want to say Thor has more experience but didn't Clark and WW spend thousands of years trapped somewhere battling? If so then experience would also be the same.
If not, then Thor has more experience and Clark has shown more finesse skill.
Thor mostly likely will win, unless Clark uses those pressure points on him.
Originally posted by h1a8
If both start out as normal humans in similar bodies (both weight 200lb) then this is a hard fight. Clark has shown very good MA skills, including pressure points, CA like maneuvering, etc. I want to say Thor has more experience but didn't Clark and WW spend thousands of years trapped somewhere battling? If so then experience would also be the same.
If not, then Thor has more experience and Clark has shown more finesse skill.Thor mostly likely will win, unless Clark uses those pressure points on him.
I remember reading on here somewhere about centuries experience fighting, but then Clark lost it?
Thor has more combat experience for sure, but I always see it as swings a hammer or sword in battle and not H2H.
Originally posted by Silent Master
He might not have his cl 100 strength, but he'd still have the strength of someone his size and that size is 6'6" 640lbs of pure muscle.
Fairly impossible in a human. Over 600lbs is into serious obesity levels, not muscle, unless someone is like 8ft tall or something.
Also Superman is 6'3. And built like a tank as well.
Originally posted by Newjak
Hmm I always thought Thor was closer to 6'9 but if he's 6'6 then I would say he's roughly 250-265 of muscle and Superman is 225.So that about a 25 pound weight difference just guesstimating.
Thor is drawn much larger, the difference would appear to be far more than just 25 pounds.
Just look at the difference between him and Cap who himself is 220 pounds.
Originally posted by The Pict
Fairly impossible in a human. Over 600lbs is into serious obesity levels, not muscle, unless someone is like 8ft tall or something.Also Superman is 6'3. And built like a tank as well.
Kingpin weighs around 450 pounds and has zero trouble moving around....remember, this is comics.