Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't mean to imply that I didn't think it would work in the first place, the scan serves to re-enforce the possibility. You know...paint a clearer picture.
But according to your post, said scan had a real affect on your opinion as to how close this fight is going to be.
Whatever, I'll let it go.
funny how people like to bring up crap like "he trained with batman" and "he was trained by wonderwoman" as if its the be all end all ultimate training. hell i could be trained by chuck norris himself (pls mr norris...dont roundhouse me) and i'd still suck balls.
being trained by someone doesn't equal the student is automatically good.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
funny how people like to bring up crap like "he trained with batman" and "he was trained by wonderwoman" as if its the be all end all ultimate training. hell i could be trained by chuck norris himself (pls mr norris...dont roundhouse me) and i'd still suck balls.being trained by someone doesn't equal the student is automatically good.
it does when they've applied said training and done reasonably well.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
funny how people like to bring up crap like "he trained with batman" and "he was trained by wonderwoman" as if its the be all end all ultimate training. hell i could be trained by chuck norris himself (pls mr norris...dont roundhouse me) and i'd still suck balls.being trained by someone doesn't equal the student is automatically good.
It's something to consider, yeah, but being trained by Bruce or Diana, even regularly on a daily or even weekly basis doesn't translate into a massive skill boost, especially if Clark doesn't display it. I'm not saying he's not skilled; he is, obviously. But his own feats are what make him skilled, not just the fact he's trained with Bruce and Diana.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Depends on how Carv feels about it, imo. His Asgardian physiology contributes to his weight, which is 640 lbs iirc, and lends itself to his durability as he's more dense. If we remove his superstrength, durability, speed, Mjolnir, his god powers, etc, he would still be the same size; his mass wouldn't vanish and when's been depowered, there certainly hasn't been mention of him getting slimmer/weighing less, iirc.Thor has much more than 1000 years of experience, yes. He's seen stars grow old and die which suggest he's very very old. Not to mention all the countless Ragnarok cycles he's endured and the fact he seems to remember them all as well, too.
Yeah I agreed with the age gap. I was just mentioning the fact that Superman is not just a brawler. Also, yeah Thor is about 3 inches taller than Superman. Tbh though, my roommate is 6 ft 7 and I'm 6 ft 3 (Thor being 6 ft 6 and Superman being 6 ft 3), his height is noticeable, but if we ever fought, it wouldn't be a deal breaker. They are both in peak physical condition. The only thing that separates them is experience. Thor's density is a superpower in and of itself. What human is 640lbs of muscle? In reality, he would be less than half of that. Thor still takes it, but Superman makes him work for it.
Thor enters berserkergang, beats down Superman hard.
Pressure points are nifty, but as anyone who ever had to deal with unskilled psychiatric patients and drug-influenced users, fine technique is near impossible to apply. Thor has thousands of years of battle-honed reflexes. Think Berserker Wolverine on steroids.
not sure if it was brought up, but didn't superman and wonderwoman spend a thousand years or so battling together at some point? can't recall the arc or the circumstances exactly.
i'd likely go with thor in this battle though. supes may be more skilled in martial arts, but thor is pretty skilled himself, bigger and likely stronger.
Originally posted by leonidasYa something like that I believe it was the battle for Asgard.. I have a problem with people using years of experience as indication of skill level.
not sure if it was brought up, but didn't superman and wonderwoman spend a thousand years or so battling together at some point? can't recall the arc or the circumstances exactly.i'd likely go with thor in this battle though. supes may be more skilled in martial arts, but thor is pretty skilled himself, bigger and likely stronger.
Thor might have had more experience but he still fighting like a stupid brick almost always.
We should go by feat to see who is better... I mean Batman doesn't have the 1000's years experience like most immortal/superhuman characters and he still one of the best.
Lets go by feats.... Just look at champion would you say he is more skilled than Batman?
Originally posted by kgkg
Ya something like that I believe it was the battle for Asgard.. I have a problem with people using years of experience as indication of skill level.Thor might have had more experience but he still fighting like a stupid brick almost always.
We should go by feat to see who is better... I mean Batman doesn't have the 1000's years experience like most immortal/superhuman characters and he still one of the best.
Lets go by feats.... Just look at champion would you say he is more skilled than Batman?
it's always tough to compare these kinds of fighters though. clark does have some pretty good h2h feats though, i admit it. but thor has battled very skilled swordsman, and is a very proficient wrestler. not saying clark can't take some, but i think in general thor's physical advantages and his own skill, would be enough to overcome clark's martial edge which wouldn't be as large as say, batman's would be. batman would beat thor all day every day, imo. but clark isn't him. i'd say thor maybe 6-7/10.
as far as bats vs champ: well, champ SUPPOSEDLY travelled the universe for millions of years trying to prove himself the universe's greatest warrior. he never lost until ss used energy to ko him and he became something of a joke. i'd say early champ would be far more skilled. his later depictions make him out to be a clown though, so...... shrug
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuswut?
I don't understand your line of thinking here. Can you please elaborate? Why does that scan change your opinion so much?They're depowered here, and as such, pressure points should work. The only reason it should change your opinion so is if you believed that such techniques could not harm him.
Thor is not vulnerable to the techniques. Not more so than anybody else including Superman.
That scan doesn't prove that Thor is unable to defend himself against such attacks. Like I said, that was a surprise attack.
Originally posted by The Picty
I remember reading on here somewhere about centuries experience fighting, but then Clark lost it?
Thor has more combat experience for sure, but I always see it as swings a hammer or sword in battle and not H2H.Fairly impossible in a human. Over 600lbs is into serious obesity levels, not muscle, unless someone is like 8ft tall or something.
Also Superman is 6'3. And built like a tank as well.
You cant use this reasoning. Thor has a lot denser structure then superman. If you think thor is over weight then i dunno what to tell ya =)
for the most part all comic book characters physical appearance are not really obtainable with a real life person. Mattle( toy company) openly admited to get the barbie doll look and the really long legs they would need a real life model of about 7'1 and 240 pounds at least. If superman is the same over all size as thor say 220 pounds id give the edge to superman due to the fact they are both excellent fighters but thor fights more on instinct and supes is more of a tactician.