Originally posted by Philosophía
No. Are you about to say that only the nerves in the neck that Mantis attacked are vulnerable, and Superman doing a similar attack would be ineffective, eventough it has been shown as effective, just because they are supposdley different nerves?I should warn you, Snake Eyes, KMC isn't Herochat.
So, I could use KK feats to prove that other street level characters could beat cl 100 people?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And he's not invulnerable in this thread, so Clark doesn't need power negating "skill" 🙂Not saying Superman will take a majority, but if he does hit Thor with a pressure point it will have an effect.
That's not my point.
I'm arguing that posting a scan of a much more skilled opponent taking Thor out temporarily with a pressure point attack from behind and then using it as a basis for Clark winning is silly. Especially since I'm pretty sure Mantis has a natural affinity for sensing weak points in structures and such.
Of course it will.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not my point.I'm arguing that posting a scan of a much more skilled opponent taking Thor out temporarily with a pressure point attack from behind and then using it as a basis for Clark winning is silly. Especially since I'm pretty sure Mantis has a natural affinity for sensing weak points in structures and such.
Of course it will.
Originally posted by Philosophía
She isn't doing some obscure, unspecified martial arts move.She strikes nerve clusters in his neck, and Thor is down. That's all there is to it. And Superman has replicated it.
Hiding behind "Mantis is so much mawh skilled, bro!" isn't going to change that.
*sigh*
Let's try a different approach: The karate chop she used against Vision did not seem to be any obscure martial arts move.
Can I assume *insert any street level combatant* can replicate it?
Thor wins.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
*sigh*Let's try a different approach: The karate chop she used against Vision did not seem to be any obscure martial arts move.
Can I assume *insert any street level combatant* can replicate it?
Of course....just like posting a scan of KK hurting a cl 100 with a punch/kick/pressure point would be proof that a Hand-Ninja could do the same.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Mantis being more skilled than Superman =/= the discussion.Math ftw.
I had no idea Thor had gone down to pressure point attacks before.
I know, it is convenient to mention Mantis' skill. The point is Thor is vulnerable to a technique that Supes has used several times.
Fight is much closer to me now.
Originally posted by Allankles
I had no idea Thor had gone down to pressure point attacks before.I know, it is convenient to mention Mantis' skill. The point is Thor is vulnerable to a technique that Supes has used several times.
Fight is much closer to me now.
Well, her skill is fairly important to the feat. so is the fact that Thor was distracted when she landed the hit.
Originally posted by Allankles
I had no idea Thor had gone down to pressure point attacks before.I know, it is convenient to mention Mantis' skill. The point is Thor is vulnerable to a technique that Supes has used several times.
Fight is much closer to me now.
I don't understand your line of thinking here. Can you please elaborate? Why does that scan change your opinion so much?
They're depowered here, and as such, pressure points should work. The only reason it should change your opinion so is if you believed that such techniques could not harm him.
Thor is not vulnerable to the techniques. Not more so than anybody else including Superman.
That scan doesn't prove that Thor is unable to defend himself against such attacks. Like I said, that was a surprise attack.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand your line of thinking here. Can you please elaborate? Why does that scan change your opinion so much?They're depowered here, and as such, pressure points should work. The only reason it should change your opinion is if you believed that such techniques could not harm him.
Thor is not vulnerable to the techniques. Not more so than anybody else including Superman.
That scan doesn't prove that Thor is unable to defend himself against such attacks. Like I said, that was a surprise attack.
It changes my opinion because:-
a) it's an efficient means for debilitating an opponent.
b) Superman (even when depowered or weakened) has shown an ability to use them.
c) Doesn't imply that Thor can't defend himself against the technique, simply that it provides evidence that it is an avenue that Supes can potentially use and get results.
Just to make sure that my stance is clear….My point is two fold, 1) given Mantis strength level, her being able to effect a cl 100 leads me to believe that it wasn’t a run-of-the-mill pressure point that she used and 2) Her skill level is far higher than Superman’s, IOW her being able to land a PP attack isn’t proof that Clark would.
Originally posted by Allankles
It changes my opinion because:-
a) it's an efficient means for debilitating an opponent.
b) Superman (even when depowered or weakened) has shown an ability to use them.
c) Doesn't imply that Thor can't defend himself against the technique, simply that it provides evidence that it is an avenue that Supes can potentially use and get results.
That doesn't answer anything. The points (a) and (b) are automatic checks in such a fight; point (c) should also apply unless you assumed they, pressure point techniques, couldn't work.
I simply don't understand why Mantis using a pressure point attack on a Thor that was not expecting it, would change your opinion in a thread where both are depowered unless you assumed pressure points could not work in the first place which doesn't make much sense because as pointed out, they are both depowered/in mortal bodies.
Originally posted by SquallX
That's true, but Superman does have some pretty good h2h skills. He was not only trained by Batman, but also by Wonder Woman. Kal also have is krytonian martial art to fall back on.As for this fight, Thor wins.