Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, I see "superior reaction speed" being thrown around but no actual measures. We can makes comparative claims without comparative measures. Otherwise, it's just one person saying one thing and the other another.
Comparing both fights, sword swinging is about the same speed from a eye-perspective, as the actors are all human and none of them martial artist. Titus (the champion) does seem a bit slower, probably cos he's much older and fatter than Crowe, Pitt and Bana.
The opening battle of spears in Troy, that is a bit faster paced, it's like a dance.
One thing that is easily noticeable between the two fights, the complexity and agility of the moves. In gladiator, it's a straight clash; in Troy, it's [again] dance-like, more-so from Pitt.
from 2:50 (excuse the music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPzwx4Uw7c&feature=related
From: 5:20 (excuse Pitt's accent and poses)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Glly5JA5h0
Yes, the beach scene from Troy. The ones where the cannon fodder are running right into his sword. They night as well be screaming "kill meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
And let's not forget, let's not forget, dude, that a group battle is different than a 1 on 1. After all, Black Mamba cakewalked the 88, but then had trouble with 1 girl.
So yeah, best if we use Achilles' 1 on 1's here.
The scene I posted is the Hector Achilles fight, the one that's being recreated here.
The beach scene still shows Achilles being a total bad-ass and even though you'll down-play it, his insanely high level of battle awareness, the 'moving shield to back to stop arrow without looking', guy has some sort of precog or a spider-sense-like ability.
Originally posted by dadudemonAll he did was strap a damn shield on his back. He knew arrows were gonna be coming at him. It's like a cop putting on a bulletproof vest before a house raid. So yeah, he's pro-active.
awesomeMy "Tonks" ass works even better, me thinks. hmm
On a side note, I re-watched Troy today. Achilles was a scumbag. All he cared about was making sure his name was remembered forever. Arrogance. Sure, when his cousin was killed he crossed over into revenge, but he was such a blind idiot that he could not see that Hector was not really at fault.
****ing idiot. And the arrow through the heel? Lulz, man, he acted like someone had ripped his spine out of his *******. It was all he could do to get to his feet and lumber towards the Elf. Little if any damage soak.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All he did was strap a damn shield on his back. He knew arrows were gonna be coming at him. It's like a cop putting on a bulletproof vest before a house raid. So yeah, he's pro-active.On a side note, I re-watched Troy today. Achilles was a scumbag. All he cared about was making sure his name was remembered forever. Arrogance. Sure, when his cousin was killed he crossed over into revenge, but he was such a blind idiot that he could not see that Hector was not really at fault.
****ing idiot. And the arrow through the heel? Lulz, man, he acted like someone had ripped his spine out of his *******. It was all he could do to get to his feet and lumber towards the Elf. Little if any damage soak.
WTF?
Go back and read the post of yours that I quoted. Not your post, but that quoted portion in my post.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
All he did was strap a damn shield on his back. He knew arrows were gonna be coming at him. It's like a cop putting on a bulletproof vest before a house raid. So yeah, he's pro-active.On a side note, I re-watched Troy today. Achilles was a scumbag. All he cared about was making sure his name was remembered forever. Arrogance. Sure, when his cousin was killed he crossed over into revenge, but he was such a blind idiot that he could not see that Hector was not really at fault.
****ing idiot. And the arrow through the heel? Lulz, man, he acted like someone had ripped his spine out of his *******. It was all he could do to get to his feet and lumber towards the Elf. Little if any damage soak.
Idiotic down-play of a character you simply want to see lose. GET A SHREAD OF OBJECTIVITY, RJ, it's sad. <--- report me for that too
He put the shield to back a split-second before the arrow struck. So yeah, it was like precog or extreme battle awareness.
Hector killed the cousin thinking it was Achilles, it's a war though, Hector would have killed the cousin just the same if he'd known.
Guess you're unaware of the legend, heel is his weakness, they were alluding to that. It took 4 arrows to the gut/body to drop him, that is "damage-soak".
Originally posted by RobtardHow so? So if a cop in a movie straps on a vest then the vest stops bullets, he has precog?
Idiotic down-play of a character you simply want to see lose. GET A SHREAD OF OBJECTIVITY, RJ, it's sad. <--- report me for that too
He put the shield to back a split-second before the arrow struck. So yeah, it was like precog or extreme battle awareness.The latter at best. Precog haermm
Hector killed the cousin thinking it was Achilles, it's a war though, Hector would have killed the cousin just the same if he'd known.Achilles failed to realize that his gay cousin threw himself in harm's way.
Achilles= Spoiled brat. I laughed when he died.
Guess you're unaware of the legend, heel is his weakness, they were alluding to that. It took 4 arrows to the gut/body to drop him, that is "damage-soak".The arrows barely entered him. Inch or two, max.
Doesn't change the fact that he looked like he was blowing a load when the arrow struck his heel. Maximus? He woulda pulled out the arrow and cornholed the Elf with it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How so? So if a cop in a movie straps on a vest then the vest stops bullets, he has precog?The latter at best. Precog haermm
Achilles failed to realize that his gay cousin threw himself in harm's way.
Achilles= Spoiled brat. I laughed when he died.
The arrows barely entered him. Inch or two, max.
Doesn't change the fact that he looked like he was blowing a load when the arrow struck his heel. Maximus? He woulda pulled out the arrow and cornholed the Elf with it.
Are you being a moron on purpose? It would be like a cop in the middle of a shoot-out putting on a vest a split second before a bullet hits him in the back as he's just finished with opponents to his front.
No, he was well aware what his cousin did.
LoL, more downplaying. Next you'll be saying you could take 4 arrows to the gut.
Again, you need to know the story. After the heel shot, he got up and started after Paris.
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you being a moron on purpose? It would be like a cop in the middle of a shoot-out putting on a vest a split second before a bullet hits him in the back as he's just finished with opponents to his front.No, he was well aware what his cousin did.
LoL, more downplaying. Next you'll be saying you could take 4 arrows to the gut.
Again, you need to know the story. After the heel shot, he got up and started after Paris.
Observe:
At 1:25 Achilles takes the arrow to the heel. Watch his reaction, it's like he's howling at the moon. Pain!!!!! Compare that to when Commodus stabbed Maximus in the lung. Maximus barely grunted. AND Maximus lived for a while, fought at impressive speed, won, and stayed alive to give his men final orders. Achilles? He CRIED. Where's the invincibility? Where's the PRECOG? Hmm? Taken out by a gay ass elf. Pathetic.
Achilles labors to his feet. Four more arrows, none of which penetrated more than a couple of inches. You can see how deep they went in when he pulls them out. Moot point, after the arrow to his foot (epic lulz, dude), he was done.
And yes, Achilles was an arrogant scumbag douchebag. A spoiled brat. Hector was ten times the man he was.
Sooooooooooo....Maximus has WAY more damage soak and a MUCH higher threshold for pain. AND he's just as fast.
So, any new business?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That's kind of like when you get a paper cut in your hand webbing and it stings like a b*tch, but them some people go out and get shot and don't even notice right away. Human body is kinda messed up for our pain receptors some times.
Sure, Maximus merely grunting when stabbed in the lung can be explained like that 🙄
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Observe:At 1:25 Achilles takes the arrow to the heel. Watch his reaction, it's like he's howling at the moon. Pain!!!!! Compare that to when Commodus stabbed Maximus in the lung. Maximus barely grunted. AND Maximus lived for a while, fought at impressive speed, won, and stayed alive to give his men final orders. Achilles? He CRIED. Where's the invincibility? Where's the PRECOG? Hmm? Taken out by a gay ass elf. Pathetic.
Achilles labors to his feet. Four more arrows, none of which penetrated more than a couple of inches. You can see how deep they went in when he pulls them out. Moot point, after the arrow to his foot (epic lulz, dude), he was done.
And yes, Achilles was an arrogant scumbag douchebag. A spoiled brat. Hector was ten times the man he was.
Sooooooooooo....Maximus has WAY more damage soak and a MUCH higher threshold for pain. AND he's just as fast.
So, any new business?
The heel was a reference to the legend and Achilles' one weakness. Might as well call Superman a pussy for being affected by kryptonite. He still got up and it took four arrows to drop him to his knees.
I am a moron for debating with you for more than a couple post, done this enough times to know that once you set yourself on a winner, you'll do what you do, regardless. Going to remedy my idiocy now.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, Maximus merely grunting when stabbed in the lung can be explained like that 🙄
Well, no...that actually works quite well in most cases.
Some soldiers and cops, in the line of duty, do not even notice that they've been shot until the action subsides.
However, a punctered lung is not something you'd, "power" through. So, it doesn't work well to explain severe, debilitating injuries.
What works better is this: mace to the face. If a person is raging enough, mace to the face might actually make them rage even more. I consider that to be exactly like what happened with Maximus. Comode-us raped and killed his family; betrayed his "father", friend, and leader; and was making a mockery of his nation. All good reasons to get a grade-A ass-whoopin and ignore the pain. His rage made him power through it.
Originally posted by RobtardThe heel thing was bullshit, obviously. It would have had the same affect if it had hit him in the calf, or thigh. Achilles relied greatly on mobility, the arrow to the heel nuked his mobility, hence the myth.
The heel was a reference to the legend and Achilles' one weakness. Might as well call Superman a pussy for being affected by kryptonite. He still got up and it took four arrows to drop him to his knees.
He took an arrow to the heel and was done, dude. He could barely move. The other arrows were nothing more than flesh wounds. You see how skinny the arrows were, AND that they were not barbed? AND that they didn't, you know......Puncture his damn lung. You think an arrow to the heel would have kept Maximus from fighting? Hee hee hee nah.
I am a moron for debating with you for more than a couple post, done this enough times to know that once you set yourself on a winner, you'll do what you do, regardless. Going to remedy my idiocy now.If that makes you feel better.
Maximus= Higher damage soak by far. Higher pain threshold by far. Just as fast, if not faster. All facts, duder.
What I just said= Win. I love being right.
Originally posted by dadudemonMaximus didn't receive the wound, then seconds later fight. It was at least 15 minutes. he was aware of it the entire time. He surely knew he was mortally wounded, and.....well, here:
Well, no...that actually works quite well in most cases.Some soldiers and cops, in the line of duty, do not even notice that they've been shot until the action subsides.
Hell, even with a punctured lung the action, at times, is faster than Achilles vs Hector.
However, a punctered lung is not something you'd, "power" through. So, it doesn't work well to explain severe, debilitating injuries.A punctered lung sounds painful.
What works better is this: mace to the face. If a person is raging enough, mace to the face might actually make them rage even more. I consider that to be exactly like what happened with Maximus. Comode-us raped and killed his family; betrayed his "father", friend, and leader; and was making a mockery of his nation. All good reasons to get a grade-A ass-whoopin and ignore the pain. His rage made him power through it.Exactly. This powered him throughout the movie, and there's no reason to say he won't have the same state of mind in this fight.