Achilles was fast at single strikes or moves, but didn't seem particularly fast when it came to putting them together. Throwing combos if you will.
He also seemed a lot more arrogant and less creative and tactical then Maximus. A much more straight ahead kind of guy. Where as Maximus seemed to know what his opponents were going to do before they did and so could stay one step a head of them. The man made a career in the arena at beating long odds.
The way I see what ever physical advantages Achilles may have are negated the first time he stops to pose and Maximus takes his head off.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles was untouchable in combat. See how far he threw the spear it was superhuman. Maximus was very good but achilles was superhuman.
Achilles in 1 on 1 combat:
He was "touched" at 2:50 ✅
Maximus in 1 on 1 combat, FF to 2:35:
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Wait, there were tigers too!!!
And here, he fights with a friggin' hole in his back:
Achilles had a much better display of agility and strength than, Maximus imo. All of his one on one battles were completely one sided...,even when he was blatantly toying with Hector. He and his squad of a few dozen men ran through an onslaught of hundreds with the ease of Gods. We saw Maximus run the gauntlet of war as well but the soldiers and conditions were in his favor and he also had a horse. Maximus is definitely a veteran soldier but his talents are better utilized as a leader.
To RJ, as great of a feat as Maximus' last battle is. He is still fighting someone with no type of combat experience.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxSure. Maximus took on dude with the mask and two friggin' tigers, that's all. He's at least as fast as Achilles. Less agile probably.
Achilles had a much better display of agility and strength than, Maximus imo. All of his one on one battles were completely one sided...,even when he was blatantly toying with Hector. He and his squad of a few dozen men ran through an onslaught of hundreds with the ease of Gods. We saw Maximus run the gauntlet of war as well but the soldiers and conditions were in his favor and he also had a horse. Maximus is definitely a veteran soldier but his talents are better utilized as a leader.To RJ, as great of a feat as Maximus' last battle is. He is still fighting someone with no type of combat experience.
The last fight is a testament to his damage soak. At the very least, the dagger pierced his heart, but he still fought on.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure. Maximus took on dude with the mask and two friggin' tigers, that's all. He's at least as fast as Achilles. Less agile probably.The last fight is a testament to his damage soak. At the very least, the dagger pierced his heart, but he still fought on.
I still don't think he is as fast. I don't think Maximus would have been dodging spears and arrows. You have to remember that Achilles was renowned and heralded as the greatest warrior in the land. Maximus was just a common general. I don't mean to take anything away from Maximus and his feats because they are grand but i still think Achilles and his men storming the beach for the first time dwarf anything Maximus displayed. He was dodging spears and arrows and constantly taking down several men at a time.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I still don't think he is as fast. I don't think Maximus would have been dodging spears and arrows. You have to remember that Achilles was renowned and heralded as the greatest warrior in the land. Maximus was just a common general. I don't mean to take anything away from Maximus and his feats because they are grand but i still think Achilles and his men storming the beach for the first time dwarf anything Maximus displayed. He was dodging spears and arrows and constantly taking down several men at a time.
Mhm, and this is 1 on 1 combat. Totally different.
Besides, two big ass tigers and a champion gladiator in one sitting is no small order. Nor is fighting with a hole in his heart. When dude was trying to stab him, Maximus was dodging without even looking at him.
Originally posted by Rogue JediYes, achilles was unscathed and dominated him. Maximus while very good wasn't unbeatable. Also the commodus win was impressive but the guy was a born coward and wasn't the greatest swordsman.
Achilles in 1 on 1 combat:He was "touched" at 2:50 ✅
Maximus in 1 on 1 combat, FF to 2:35:
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Wait, there were tigers too!!!
And here, he fights with a friggin' hole in his back:
Achilles stormed the beach without that many men and did so easily.
You also dodged the spear toss. The guy's precision and strength were superhuman. His talents were unrivaled in combat. No one ever came close to beating him.
Maximus was a great leader but wasn't unbeatable in combat and the undefeated gladiator with the tigers was out of his prime.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, achilles was unscathed and dominated him. Maximus while very good wasn't unbeatable. Also the commodus win was impressive but the guy was a born coward and wasn't the greatest swordsman.Achilles stormed the beach without that many men and did so easily.
You also dodged the spear toss. The guy's precision and strength were superhuman. His talents were unrivaled in combat. No one ever came close to beating him.
Maximus was a great leader but wasn't unbeatable in combat and the undefeated gladiator with the tigers was out of his prime.
Damage soak, dude. Battle prowess.
K?
K so Achilles can throw a spear farther. And?
Out of his prime? He looked more formidable than anyone Achilles faced.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Damage soak, dude. Battle prowess.K?
K so Achilles can throw a spear farther. And?
Out of his prime? He looked more formidable than anyone Achilles faced.
If you want to talk about battle prowess how about when Achilles led fifty of his mermen against hundreds. We could also discuss how he stormed Troy at the end. So yeah, lets talk battle prowess.
The fact that Achilles was able to hurl a spear that far and that accurately should not be taken lightly. However, i don't base his strength off of this. I gather that he is much stronger because he was knocking soldiers down with single strikes.
As for damage soak. All we can do is speculate because the only time Achilles took any type of damage is when he openly and blatantly let his guard down. Other than his death the most he sustained was a cut and scrape.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
If you want to talk about battle prowess how about when Achilles led fifty of his mermen against hundreds. We could also discuss how he stormed Troy at the end. So yeah, lets talk battle prowess.The fact that Achilles was able to hurl a spear that far and that accurately should not be taken lightly. However, i don't base his strength off of this. I gather that he is much stronger because he was knocking soldiers down with single strikes.
As for damage soak. All we can do is speculate because the only time Achilles took any type of damage is when he openly and blatantly let his guard down. Other than his death the most he sustained was a cut and scrape.
I'm talking 1 on 1. Maximus had his heart pierced, survived, fought and won. Or was it his lung? Either way, Achilles never showed that type of prowess and/or willpower.
So he'd make a good olympian?
Speculatory my ass. Hole in the lung and Maximus kept fighting.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He looked more formidable than anyone Achilles faced.
Except Achillies himself, so the point is moot. Achilies was toying with Hector also, BLATANTLY obvious to anyone not actively trying to ignore it. Theres no question Achillies was more agile, likely edging in strength too, better battle awareness and just as tactical, just better really.