Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Achilles? He CRIED. Where's the invincibility? Where's the PRECOG? Hmm? Taken out by a gay ass elf. Pathetic.Achilles labors to his feet. Four more arrows, none of which penetrated more than a couple of inches. You can see how deep they went in when he pulls them out. Moot point, after the arrow to his foot (epic lulz, dude), he was done.
And yes, Achilles was an arrogant scumbag douchebag. A spoiled brat. Hector was ten times the man he was.
Heel shot = Plot device from the legend, get a clue. Trying to take it at face value as something acheiveable by Maximus is madness.
Just reaized how mAd you are at this thread. Lol, an "arrogant scumbag" AND a "douchebag" all in one sentence? 😆 definition of butthurt much?
Maximus lasts about as long as Hector. No sword or spear can touch Achillies flesh, by feats he can't be beaten in melee. You'll argue, and thats to be expected. But the truth is evident now..
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Originally posted by Juk3nBut never said nor shown in the movies. Achilles was just an extremely gifted fighter. He was not favored by the Gods, nor was he invincible.
Heel shot = Plot device from the legend, get a clue. Trying to take it at face value as something acheiveable by Maximus is madness.
Just reaized how mAd you are at this thread. Lol, an "arrogant scumbag" AND a "douchebag" all in one sentence? 😆 definition of butthurt much?Nah, I just really don't like the character. I'm loling at the thread.
Maximus lasts about as long as Hector. No sword or spear can touch Achillies flesh, by feats he can't be beaten in melee. You'll argue, and thats to be expected. But the truth is evident now..No sword or spear can touch Achilles' flesh? I call bullshit. Prove that. Screen feats, not mythological bullshit.
Maximus displayed higher damage soak. Maximus displayed higher pain tolerance. Maximus displayed higher resolve. Maximus was at least as fast.
No? OK, I'll play. Let's start with damage soak. What's your argument for Achilles there?
Originally posted by NephthysMaximus displayed higher damage soak. Maximus displayed higher pain tolerance. Maximus displayed higher resolve. Maximus was at least as fast.
At the end of the day all maximus is better at is getting cut up. Which is good, because thats what he's going to be doing in this fight.
No? Prove me wrong. Show me where Achilles displayed higher damage soak. Show me where Achilles showed a higher tolerance for pain. Show me where Achilles was faster in a 1 on1 battle.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Maximus displayed higher damage soak. Maximus displayed higher pain tolerance. Maximus displayed higher resolve. Maximus was at least as fast.No? Prove me wrong. Show me where Achilles displayed higher damage soak. Show me where Achilles showed a higher tolerance for pain. Show me where Achilles was faster in a 1 on1 battle.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
Your mistake is thinking that any of that matters.
Achilles displayed higher skill. /thread.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your mistake is thinking that any of that matters.Achilles displayed higher skill. /thread.
It all matters.
Higher damage soak, higher pain tolerance, higher resolve, higher stamina, equal if not greater speed, these factor into all MVF threads.
Maximus displayed just as much skill with a sword when he fought Tigris as Achilles did when he fought Hector. Not to mention he was fighting two tigers at the same time, and he used his sword left and right handed. /thread.
The "myth" behind Achilles has you guys under some hypnotic spell.
OMFG it was pretty clear that while the "spiritual" part of Troy's story was softened a lot, it was still there. We even have three characters expressing three different views:
Achilles: does not believe in gods or anything spiritual. Dies stupidly by the arrows of the cowardiest warrior.
Priam: believes the gods will take care of everything, relies completely on them. Dies in shock and regret.
Hector: believes in gods but also on humanity's own value. Dies as a brave heroe, the noblest of all.
Achilles was punished by the gods (Apollo) because of his past arrogance, the desecration of Apollo's temple and for butchering Apollo's priests. Apollo is the god "who kills from afar" so, Achilles the bravest warrior of all, was punished and killed from afar. When his heel was pierced, whatever blessing he had, was removed. And he felt mortality for the first time.
Achilles still destroys puny Maximus.
It all matters.Higher damage soak, higher pain tolerance, higher resolve, higher stamina, equal if not greater speed, these factor into all MVF threads.
No it does not. Maximus getting stabbed against Achilles is a death sentence. He won't be able to recover from it.
Maximus displayed just as much skill with a sword when he fought Tigris as Achilles did when he fought Hector.
Yeah, bullshit.
Achilles owned everyone in the movie with ease. Tigris was effing retired for effs sake. He was like 50. Hardly equatable to Hector.
Not to mention he was fighting two tigers at the same time, and he used his sword left and right handed. /thread.
And here I thought fighting more than one person didn't matter. 🙂
Originally posted by MetalIsDead
OMFG it was pretty clear that while the "spiritual" part of Troy's story was softened a lot, it was still there. We even have three characters expressing three different views:Achilles: does not believe in gods or anything spiritual.
Priam: believes the gods will take care of everything, relies completely on them.
Hector: believes in gods but also on humanity's own value.
Achilles was punished by the gods (Apollo) because of his past arrogance, the desecration of Apollo's temple and for butchering Apollo's priests. Apollo is the god "who kills from afar" so, Achilles the bravest warrior of all, was punished and killed from afar. When his heel was pierced, whatever blessings he had, was removed. And he felt mortality for the first time.
Achilles still destroys puny Maximus.
Other than the individuals' perspectives on "the gods", everything else you said is not in the movie.
And, no, Apollo died because his heel was the only part no dipped in the river Styx. Because Thetis had to hold him by his ankle to dip him (she should have just dropped him in and plucked him out), the spot left un-dipped is his ankle.
All the rest of what you talk about does not apply. What's actually going on in the movie is the "making of" history and the exaggerations. It's more of a story about people who believed in gods that weren't there and it's supposed to show you were the legends started.
Achilles is just an awesome fighter. For being "invincible" he sure looked hung over and tired in the beginning of the film.
The "heel" thing was to show the audience how the "legend" started and how we get the theology on Achilles from Statius in his Archilleid. The writers/director were trying to show us that the myths were partially in reality.
Here's a reality check: most likely, Statius made up the invulnerability part or he was incorporating a contemporary exaggeration that was circulating at the time of his Archilleid writing. There's more evidence that this "Achilles heel" weakness is actually wrong. This is stuff you learn in Greek mythology (it's a required class for my degree but I learned most of this stuff in middle school. 🙁 )
Originally posted by NephthysHow you figure that? Maximus is just as fast, probably faster. In the Troy fight scenes, Achilles wins mostly on speed.
No it does not. Maximus getting stabbed against Achilles is a death sentence. He won't be able to recover from it.
Yeah, bullshit.I'm sorry, who exactly did Maximus lose to?Achilles owned everyone in the movie with ease. Tigris was effing retired for effs sake. He was like 50. Hardly equatable to Hector.
Yeah.....
And here I thought fighting more than one person didn't matter. 🙂Point is that the tigers weren't practically running onto his sword. They were there as a distraction as he fought Tigris.
Doesn't matter how you slice it, all that matters is:
Maximus displayed higher damage soak. Maximus displayed higher pain tolerance. Maximus displayed higher resolve. Maximus was at least as fast.
No? Prove me wrong. Show me where Achilles displayed higher damage soak. Show me where Achilles showed a higher tolerance for pain. Show me where Achilles was faster in a 1 on1 battle.
Go ahead, I'll wait
See, you Achilles supporters, all you have left is "B-b-b-b-but it's Achilles!!!"
Pathetic.
How you figure that? Maximus is just as fast, probably faster. In the Troy fight scenes, Achilles wins mostly on speed.
Achilles won by being far more skilled and just much better than everyone else.
I'm sorry, who exactly did Maximus lose to?Yeah.....
Who did Achilles lose to?
Yeah......
Point is that the tigers weren't practically running onto his sword.
Whereas all the people Achilles owned were. Your bias is amazing.
See, you Achilles supporters, all you have left is "B-b-b-b-but it's Achilles!!!"Pathetic.
Keep calling us pathetic. See where it gets you.
Prick.
Originally posted by NephthysAnd none of his opponents were as good as Maximus. Not in any way, shape or form.
Achilles won by being far more skilled and just much better than everyone else.
Speed was Achilles' biggest ally. Take away his speed and mobility like Parish did, and, well.......you saw what happened.
Who did Achilles lose to?To a foot wound. Doooooooooooh.Yeah......
Whereas all the people Achilles owned were. Your bias is amazing.During the beach scene, yes, they were running right up to him, looked like they were begging to be killed.
Keep calling us pathetic. See where it gets you.When did I call you pathetic? I said your argument was pathetic. It wasn't a personal attack.Prick.
And none of his opponents were as good as Maximus. Not in any way, shape or form.
Right back at you. None of Maximus' opponents were as good as Achilles.
And I'd put Hector on Maximus' level.
Speed was Achilles' biggest ally. Take away his speed and mobility like Parish did, and, well.......you saw what happened.
Well its a good thing that Maximus has a bow and can surprise Achilles from behind.
Oh......Wait......
To a foot wound. Doooooooooooh.
Shot from behind. And then shot a further 3-4 times.
But yeah, I'm sure Maximus would just walk that off with his l33t damage soak. 🙄
During the beach scene, yes, they were running right up to him, looked like they were begging to be killed.
Obviously Achilles was just so powerful a combatant that they couldn't even attack him fully. Not something that could be said about Maxi, now is it?
Originally posted by NephthysIndeed. But Maximus possesses all that is required to win here.
Right back at you. None of Maximus' opponents were as good as Achilles.And I'd put Hector on Maximus' level.
K.
Well its a good thing that Maximus has a bow and can surprise Achilles from behind.That's the point, he was distracted and surprised.Oh......Wait......
Shot from behind. And then shot a further 3-4 times.But yeah, I'm sure Maximus would just walk that off with his l33t damage soak. 🙄
Shot in the foot, which pretty much finished him. The other arrows didn't penetrate that deep, two inches max.
Maximus took a shot to the lung. He had a hole punched in it and still fought at near to full speed.
Obviously Achilles was just so powerful a combatant that they couldn't even attack him fully. Not something that could be said about Maxi, now is it?Mhm, and Maximus is gonna run right onto his sword. Sure.