Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No one is giving Maul any respect. He held his own against two Jedi, dude.
Well...but then the support for Maul breaks down when we see that he lost to just one Jedi Padawan (in Maul's defense, Obi Wan, at the time, was good enough to be a full fledged Jedi Knight.) We could ague that Maul got bored and complacent which was literally the direct result of his downfall (in both senses of "downfall"😉.
Originally posted by dadudemonMaul lost because of his arrogance. He had Obi Wan beat, but chose to tease him instead of kill him.
Well...but then the support for Maul breaks down when we see that he lost to just one Jedi Padawan (in Maul's defense, Obi Wan, at the time, was good enough to be a full fledged Jedi Knight.)
Not a mistake he'll make here.
Becuase Jinn just showed up, killed some droids, and died.
Kenobi was a Padawan.
Maul fought a guy who wasnt all that great, and lost to his padawan. Maul from the movie isnt that powerful.
Vaders only hope of survival is to fight Kenobi, and he wont win. It will take Kenobi a while to kill him though, but by then Mace and Yoda will be fighting Palpatine.
And anyways, Kenobi isnt a lightweight, taking on Grevious and his spinning Hands of Doom.
Jinn died because Maul was younger and had more stamina. He wore Jinn down. You can see Jinn is worn out right before he dies.
Maul knew what he was doing. He fought a retreating battle the entire time. He knew he had to separate them, kill the Master first, then deal with the Padawan. The laser gates and that room being there? Come on, bit too coincidental for me.
Once he had them separated by the laser gates, he went on the offensive all of a sudden. Again, bit too coincidental for me. Maul's biggest mistake was underestimating Obi Wan.
Originally posted by Pwned
Vaders only hope of survival is to fight Kenobi, and he wont win. It will take Kenobi a while to kill him though, but by then Mace and Yoda will be fighting Palpatine.And anyways, Kenobi isnt a lightweight, taking on Grevious and his spinning Hands of Doom.
You are seriously underestimating Vader here. His loss to Obi-Wan was a major upset. I mean he tooled Dooku in a way that not even Yoda could. I can easily see him hold his own against either Mace or Yoda for at least awhile.
Kenobi, on the other hand, can't hold his own against Dooku or Sidious. Sure his saber skills are amazing, but either Sith Lord will be able to tool him in the force just like Dooku did in the movie.
Originally posted by ares834
You are seriously underestimating Vader here. His loss to Obi-Wan was a major upset. I mean he tooled Dooku in a way that not even Yoda could. I can easily see him hold his own against either Mace or Yoda for at least awhile.Kenobi, on the other hand, can't hold his own against Dooku or Sidious. Sure his saber skills are amazing, but either Sith Lord will be able to tool him in the force just like Dooku did in the movie.
Nick Gillard, lightsaber stunt coordinator for the PT, gave them ratings on a scale of 1-10. He gave Sidious, Yoda, and Anankin 9's, but those were the only 9's. So how did Obi Wan stand up to Anakin?
For most of the fight, Obi Wan was the one giving the most ground. And he only lost due to being stupidly arrogant. Is Obi Wan a really high 8?
I actually have heard multiple reasons, but I'd like to know some reasons. This will directly help the thread.
Nick Gillard, lightsaber stunt coordinator for the PT, gave them ratings on a scale of 1-10. He gave Sidious, Yoda, and Anankin 9's, but those were the only 9's. So how did Obi Wan stand up to Anakin?
Anakin was emotionally freaking out. Sith's powers are tied into their emotions. If they are in control they can channel power beyond what they could as Jedi. If they aren't, they're frenzied lunatics.
Also Obi-Wan got lucky with the high-ground. As you said, previously Anakin was pushing him back the entire fight.
Yeah, I've heard of these scales before. IIRC he also gave Mace Windu a 9. Regardless, I don't know what he gave Obi-Wan, but I agree with you. Anakin was surely winning most of the fight hence why I called the battle a "major upset". Still, Kenobi held his own against Anakin and while I think he would usually lose a battle it would clearly take awhile.
Tell that to this guy.