Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh yea, Doom has insane feats of will power. Another example of a less street type character.Ripped to pieces by prehistoric sharks and his will somehow kept him alive. The scene with Beyonder where his literally taking apart half of Doom's body layer by layer.
I also forgot to mention the scene where Mephisto tries and fails to break Thor's soul.
Yeah, Thor/Doom have good willpower.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
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Smh.
Completely forgot about that. Rogue lost some respect.
Originally posted by Omega VisionThat's my point, the ones that can go through society and not go out killing and adjust well have to have exceptional mental strength.
Superman deserves honorable mention, if nothing else but for being so principled that he wouldn't kill a scumbag like Manchester Black even when he thought he'd just murdered Lois.There's a lot of shit on this forum about heroes who don't kill being 'pussies', 'hypocrites', 'naive', or 'idiotic', but sometimes it takes so much more spiritual certainty and fortitude NOT to kill someone.
Um. Jean grey rewrote time and gave up the love of her life cyclops to a tramp... Err Emma...
Peter same thing with the mephisto deal.
Givin up on love requires a lot of sacrifice.
Although I'll mention winter soldier right now for all the mental crap he had to go through as Bucky. Livin in caps shadow.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman deserves honorable mention, if nothing else but for being so principled that he wouldn't kill a scumbag like Manchester Black even when he thought he'd just murdered Lois.There's a lot of shit on this forum about heroes who don't kill being 'pussies', 'hypocrites', 'naive', or 'idiotic', but sometimes it takes so much more spiritual certainty and fortitude NOT to kill someone.
Not to mention the fact that he's had strokes and heart attacks and poisoning and STILL fought on at times.
I think honourable mention should go to Cyclops. He's not top of the list by any means, but tthe fact that he was getting up in the morning was a feat of willpower, imo.
Originally posted by rotiart
Um. Jean grey rewrote time and gave up the love of her life cyclops to a tramp... Err Emma...Peter same thing with the mephisto deal.
Givin up on love requires a lot of sacrifice.
Although I'll mention winter soldier right now for all the mental crap he had to go through as Bucky. Livin in caps shadow.
Emma's not a tramp. Jean only put him with her to save the X-Men anyway.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not to mention the fact that he's had strokes and heart attacks and poisoning and STILL fought on at times.I think honourable mention should go to Cyclops. He's not top of the list by any means, but tthe fact that he was getting up in the morning was a feat of willpower, imo.
Emma's not a tramp. Jean only put him with her to save the X-Men anyway.
Nice call on the Superman thing. I don't see people giving him credit for that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm confused. Am I suppose to be impressed?As far as I know, he tears through flesh when his claws pop. The end. Not to mention his bones are Adamantium.
also it a lot more then that. His healing factor is constantly trying to heal the wound while the claws are out causing sever pain.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Not really, it was ment to be funny. You said you lost respect for rogue for being unable to stand the claws, so I thought it be funny to post wolverine sleeping with his claws out.also it a lot more then that. His healing factor is constantly trying to heal the wound while the claws are out causing sever pain.
Oh okay. My bad man.
What? How does that work?
Can you really say that the Punisher has willpower and mental toughness. I feel it comes more from his controlled psychosis more than anything else. Willpower is determination AND self-control which the punisher generally lacks. He has a few things he sticks to but if the chips are down they are still negotiable depending on the cost. Batman Superman Hal and Cap are better choices IMO but I'd have to put Superman at the top. Not because of what he does but more because of what he doesn't do. With his abilities and smarts to build things like the miracle machine or just generally manage things on top of his physical stats his issue becomes more of one Not to take action where he could. He could solve all the worlds problems hell he could conquer the earth and make it a utopia with relative ease and at his best there is little that could have stopped him back in the silver age at his absolute peak.
At his best he has laughed at Darkseid and the strongest beings in the universe best shots against him. Gods have fallen broken before him and despite all his power and the will to do good he does not simply take things into his own hands and arbitrarily pass judgement. Consider that at Supermans absolute peak that even a peak Dr. Fate is little more than laughable despite Supermans magic vulnerability as well as times when Kryptonite acts more like slow radiation poisoning that is incredibly painful but otherwise manageable. This makes him all the more mentally strong in my book.
I think Punisher has astounding self control, infact I would go as far to see that few characters posses the same level of self control as Frank Castle. What you need to keep in mind is that Frank doesn't kill criminals because he lacks impulse control or because he has a pathological compulsion that requires him to kill or hurt people, he does it because he believes with the entity of his being that it is necessary. He is often depicted as being opposed to the consumption of alcohol and drugs (even ones as menial as pain killers), sometimes he even comes off as A-sexual like Judge Dredd with a complete disinterest in sex (or anything outside of his mission really). He is practically a monk... a monk that violently kills people. No ones perfect.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Punisher has astounding self control, infact I would go as far to see that few characters posses the same level of self control as Frank Castle. What you need to keep in mind is that Frank doesn't kill criminals because he lacks impulse control or because he has a pathological compulsion that requires him to kill or hurt people, he does it because he believes with the entity of his being that it is necessary. He is often depicted as being opposed to the consumption of alcohol and drugs (even ones as menial as pain killers), sometimes he even comes off as A-sexual like Judge Dredd with a complete disinterest in sex (or anything outside of his mission really). He is practically a monk... a monk that violently kills people. No ones perfect.
Punisher has had sex quite a few ties that I know off. He even slept with a guys wife who he was trying to help out. The other time he slept with one of his contacts...I guess because it helped the mission out.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI just think that his pathological psychosis plays a big factor in his single minded drive to accomplish the mission more than anything else. It's also why I put batman under superman. He is clinically insane in his obsession for control over both himself and his environment.
Which is why I used the clarifier "sometimes." 😎
