Superboy Prime vs Asgardians

Originally posted by Space M ummy

Seriously though- if BFR isn't an option, both hammers are crazy powerful energy and matter manipulators- Flooding SBP with red solar energy to depower him would be a valid way to take him out.

When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to do it anyway? They have no knowledge of his weakness. Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to anyway? Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

he survived flying though it, but it depowered him in the process.

As for when the hammers have done that- all the damn time. Thor drained the power from a galaxy destroying bomb and used it to ignite a dead star halfway across the universe.

Whatever energy they take in (and this can be an active draw, or passive) gets stored and rechanneled 100x.

as for how they know: That weakness is common knowledge by now, per board rules.

So a teleport to a red star > energy drain > TP back and direct it at SBP to drain him would absolutely work.

Hell, they may not even have to TP. the matter and energy manipulation abilities of the hammers are beastly. Elemental transmutation and even creation of antimatter (or anti-force) happens all the time. but I figure TP > drain and store > TP back is the simplest route.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to do it anyway? They have no knowledge of his weakness. Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

But after he flew through that star he could not fly or use heat vision.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Seriously though- if BFR isn't an option

Originally posted by Galan007
I think BFR IS an option. I was just discussing its cited effectiveness, is all. 🙂

I can dig that. I think BFR is the obvious way this fight would go, though if for whatever reason it wasn't possible, I was throwing out an alternative.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

as for how they know: That weakness is common knowledge by now, per board rules.

Does the common knowledge really work like that? Suppose Superman appears out of no where in the middle of New York. Will everyone go "Oh yeah its the Big Blue scout he has a weakness to kryptonite, red sun radiation and magic!" Bombard him! I was of the impression the common weakness pertained to their universe.

Prime wins

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime wins

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Does the common knowledge really work like that? Suppose Superman appears out of no where in the middle of New York. Will everyone go "Oh yeah its the Big Blue scout he has a weakness to kryptonite, red sun radiation and magic!" Bombard him! I was of the impression the common weakness pertained to their universe.

No, common weakness means basically that things like superman being vulnerable to red solar radiation and kryptonite are things that are known to most heroes and villains. So board combatants should be aware of it, regardless of what universe they come from.

Things like superman being clark kent or spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge."

Originally posted by Parmaniac
After re-reading your post several times and thinking about your analysis for a pretty long time I came to the conclusion that I agree with this.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I heart you too

Originally posted by Space M ummy
No, common weakness means basically that things like superman being vulnerable to red solar radiation and kryptonite are things that are known to most heroes and villains. So board combatants should be aware of it, regardless of what universe they come from.

Things like superman being clark kent or spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge."

Then I hereby declare the rule is made of:

Originally posted by Space M ummy
spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge."

So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

Originally posted by Parmaniac

Even Cap uses Wiki hahaha! Too bad Cap doesn't know it can be edited 😆

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's possible that Thor's vortexes *could* work, but frankly, I think you're digging quite a bit to say that they *would* work. The scans you presented show Thor creating vortexes around stationary objects/characters -- if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (as he did against all the heroes in SCW) there's nothing that leads me to believe said vortexes would be successful.

facepalm

I don't understand what you have trouble contemplating.

Does Prime engage foes mostly in close combat or not?

Can Thor create vortexes large enough to encompass all of the combatants?

Can Thor control where to send everybody inside the area of effect?

Hint: The answer to all those questions is yes.

Now based on that information, why on earth do you think I'm digging?

Prime is going to try and close in on them like 90% of the time. Best case scenario, he might try a heat vision blast from close range. As such, battle field removing him would be easy for Thor.

Your best bet is too argue he'll go for Thor first, preventing him from battle field removal but that wouldn't be exactly the most solid of stances.

Originally posted by Galan007
As for Prime's immunity to magic: magical energy is magical energy. If he can shrug off magical blasts from Mordru, why would I believe magical BFR-blasts from Mjolnir would be any more effective?

Because as far as we've seen, his only resistant to magic; he doesn't have some anti-magic aura around him. It simply affects him to a small degree in comparison to Superman. While a blast from Mordu hurt Superman, in that story his attack only tickled Prime. His attacks didn't fizzle out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I don't understand what you have trouble contemplating.

Does Prime engage foes mostly in close combat or not?

Can Thor create vortexes large enough to encompass all of the combatants?

Can Thor control where to send everybody inside the area of effect?

Hint: The answer to all those questions is yes.

Now based on that information, why on earth do you think I'm digging?

Prime is going to try and close in on them like 90% of the time. Best case scenario, he might try a heat vision blast from close range. As such, battle field removing him would be easy for Thor.

Your best bet is too argue he'll go for Thor first, preventing him from battle field removal but that wouldn't be exactly the most solid of stances.

Anyhow, none of the above changes the fact that every scan you posted depicts Thor manifesting a vortex around stationary objects/characters. And like I said above: if Prime was moving around at any type of speed (as he did against the groups of heroes in SCW) there's no reason to believe the vortexes would work.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because as far as we've seen, his only resistant to magic; he doesn't have some anti-magic aura around him. It simply affects him to a small degree in comparison to Superman. While a blast from Mordu hurt Superman, in that story his attack only tickled Prime. His attacks didn't fizzle out.

So it stands to reason that Prime would be very resistant to a magical BFR-zap from Mjolnir. It's illogical to assume otherwise, imo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.