Originally posted by Galan007
It's funny how heated you get when you're questioned on Thor-related info. Utilizing the facepalm smilie doesn't make your points any more valid, just so you know. 😉Anyhow, none of the above changes the fact that every scan you posted depicts Thor manifesting a vortex around stationary objects/characters. And like I said above: if Prime was moving around at any type of speed (as he did against the groups of heroes in SCW) there's no reason to believe the vortexes would work.
I'll write it down.
Okay, there is some miss-communication between us. So here comes the diagram:
http://img801.imageshack.us/f/unledur.jpg/ (Forgive the quality)
Do you understand what I mean? Prime is going to attack them head on, and we'll be inside of the area of effect.
Or are you saying that if Prime moves at a certain level of speed, the vortex simply won't work on him? I.e. if the Flash paced back in forth in one spot at light speed, a vortex wouldn't affect him? If not, I don't understand why you think Prime bull rushing the team is going to stop the vortex from working on him unless you believe his going to for Thor.
Originally posted by Galan007
Right.So it stands to reason that Prime would be very resistant to a magical BFR-zap from Mjolnir. It's illogical to assume otherwise, imo.
Okay, I guess will have to agree to disagree because we aren't changing each others mind.
Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this until Philo mentioned it.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Loki says "Hey SBP I bet your not worthy enough, or is it a hero enough to lift thor's hammer."SBP: "Oh yeah! Well see!"
SBP tries and tries and pulls his groin and passes out. Loki FTW!!
Imagine Thor and Loki's surprise if he did lift it by retcon punch killing the magical enchantment to death.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Loki says "Hey SBP I bet your not worthy enough, or is it a hero enough to lift thor's hammer."SBP: "Oh yeah! Well see!"
SBP tries and tries and pulls his groin and passes out. Loki FTW!!
SBP would lift the whole planet while trying to lift the hammer, then he would proceed to beat the shit out of the team, till nothing of the planet remains, just the hammer with some dirt on it, so yeah, in the end he would lift it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOk, so you're saying that Thor would have enough time to twirl his hammer around, and manifest an all-encompassing vortex around the entire field that would only BFR Prime, before he was directly attacked, right? I could buy that.
I'll write it down.Okay, there is some miss-communication between us. So here comes the diagram:
http://img801.imageshack.us/f/unledur.jpg/ (Forgive the quality)Do you understand what I mean? Prime is going to attack them head on, and we'll be inside of the area of effect.
Or are you saying that if Prime moves at a certain level of speed, the vortex simply won't work on him? I.e. if the Flash paced back in forth in one spot at light speed, a vortex wouldn't affect him? If not, I don't understand why you think Prime bull rushing the team is going to stop the vortex from working on him unless you believe his going to for Thor.
Okay, I guess will have to agree to disagree because we aren't changing each others mind.
Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this until Philo mentioned it.
However, the scans you provided depict Thor being transported -along with- everyone else he manifested a vortex around. Is there proof that he can manifest a vortex around everyone on the battlefield (inc. himself) but can single out who gets transported and who doesn't?
Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, so you're saying that Thor would have enough time to twirl his hammer around, and manifest an all-encompassing vortex around the entire field that would only BFR Prime, before he was directly attacked, right? I could buy that.However, the scans you provided depict Thor being transported -along with- everyone else he manifested a vortex around. Is there proof that he can manifest a vortex around everyone on the battlefield (inc. himself) but can single out who gets transported and who doesn't?
Yes, that's my stance. As you know, Thor can create vortexes nearly instantaneously.
In three different set of scans I provided, Thor actually transports beings inside his vortex to different locations around the world. For example, he creates a vortex around himself, Giant Man, Captain America, Black Panther etc. and each of them ends up in different locations such as Egypt, America and so on.
If you want a scan specifically showing someone not being transported inside the area of effect, there's the scene where he battle field removes the Destroyer. He is inside the area of effect, but he does not get transported along with the armor.
Based on these showings, I believe the method I presented, if you assume Thor will go for a battle field removal, would the easiest way of getting rid of Prime. At least imho.
For the record, Thor's teleportation is extremely quick. IIRC, Cho timed it in the microseconds.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI still disagree.
Yes, that's my stance. As you know, Thor can create vortexes nearly instantaneously.In three different set of scans I provided, Thor actually transports beings inside his vortex to different locations around the world. For example, he creates a vortex around himself, Giant Man, Captain America, Black Panther etc. and each of them ends up in different locations such as Egypt, America and so on.
If you want a scan specifically showing someone not being transported inside the area of effect, there's the scene where he battle field removes the Destroyer. He is inside the area of effect, but he does not get transported along with the armor.
Based on these showings, I believe the method I presented, if you assume Thor will go for a battle field removal, would the easiest way of getting rid of Prime. At least imho.
For the record, Thor's teleportation is extremely quick. IIRC, Cho timed it in the microseconds.
Even assuming said vortex would work, BFR isn't generally Thor's first option. So if he's fighting in character here, he'd likely try different, more head-on, tactics before using more exotic abilities like BFR. He's a lot like Prime in that regard.
Originally posted by Galan007
I still disagree.
Do you disagree about it working or do you disagree about Thor employing the tactic?
Originally posted by Galan007
Even assuming said vortex would work, BFR isn't generally Thor's first option. So if he's fighting in character here, he'd likely try different, more head-on, tactics before using more exotic abilities like BFR. He's a lot like Prime in that regard.
Do you have reason to believe it wouldn't? If so, what is it? I'm just curious.
Yes, Thor is head strong. Battle field removal or energy manipulation as I stated would simply be the quickest way to win. How many times Thor uses this tactic out of 10 however is far from certain.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI agree that it probably can work - assuming what you said above is correct, and Thor can pick and choose where the all-encompassing vortex sends the various beings it surrounds.
Do you disagree about it working or do you disagree about Thor employing the tactic?Do you have reason to believe it wouldn't? If so, what is it? I'm just curious.
Yes, Thor is head strong. Battle field removal or energy manipulation as I stated would simply be the quickest way to win. How many times Thor uses this tactic out of 10 however is far from certain.
But more times than not, BFR isn't the first tactic Thor would try to utilize against an opponent anyway. So while it may be a proverbial 'tool in Thor's toolbox', it likely isn't a tool he'd pull out unless this battle lasted an extensive amount of time - which is doubtful. Imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
I agree that it probably can work - assuming what you said above is correct, and Thor can pick and choose where the all-encompassing vortex sends the various beings it surrounds.But more times than not, BFR isn't the first tactic Thor would try to utilize against an opponent anyway. So while it may be a proverbial 'tool in Thor's toolbox', it likely isn't a tool he'd pull out unless this battle lasted an extensive amount of time - which is doubtful. Imo.
Well, if you don't believe me, I can post the scans if necessary. Usually I'd have done it by now but I'm lazy at the moment.
Eh, I agree that Thor doesn't jump to battle field removal. How much do you expect Prime's stock to fall when he returns?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI believe ya. I doubt you'd have a reason to lie about something like that.
Well, if you don't believe me, I can post the scans if necessary. Usually I'd have done it by now but I'm lazy at the moment.Eh, I agree that Thor doesn't jump to battle field removal. How much do you expect Prime's stock to fall when he returns?
I think 'plummet' is the word I'd use. But to Prime's credit, team-wreckers as uber as he is/was are usually never as consistent as he's been over the years, so he could still surprise us all.
