Once Again: What Makes Thanos Superior to Superman?

Originally posted by inimalist
That you think Superman only has 2000 appearances relevant to the thread doesn't invalidate anything

Thus the statistics you posted are wrong, and dont apply to anything related to the discussions and the characters involved.

I have to say, you're doing a crying-worthy job of backtracking.

Originally posted by inimalist
does it have to be one of those options?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has only 2000 appearances valid to post Crisis Superman Superman. It's not "this thread" Superman. It's the Superman we're discussing on the forum? You know that one, right? Not Red Son? Not Pre-Crisis? Not Golden Age? Yeah, that Superman.

I have to say, you're doing a crying-worthy job of backtracking.

Yes. I never said said. So either you can't read, or you're purposely trolling. Which is it?

you realize the Comicvine numbers are not sorted according to Pre-crisis and Post-crisis, yes?

like, I get what you are saying, cool, but Thanos' tallies are raw scores too. If you want to start some count of how many issues there are from each character relevant to the thread, cool, more effort than it is worth imho...

Originally posted by Philosophía
Thus the statistics you posted are wrong, and dont apply to anything related to the discussions and the characters involved.

no, thats the point, they aren't wrong, they are just a raw count of appearances, not some real number of appearances divided into eras of the character relevant for forum fights...

you are correct, both characters would have much smaller numbers were that the case...

Originally posted by inimalist
you realize the Comicvine numbers are not sorted according to Pre-crisis and Post-crisis, yes?

And it's funny you're asking me this, since I'm the one who pointed out that the statistics must be including both the pre and post Crisis appearances, since the post-Crisis number is much smaller, because you were clueless. But now you're apparently trying to say that you knew all along, but chose to not mention that very important detail? 😂

phil, if we take your logic one step further and get even more relevant numerical accounting, we would use page count instead of simply appearances (as a 2 page appearance is not the same as a 20page appearance)

and if we go by appearances as by page count, even counting postcrisis, superman would have more than 10 to 1 lead on thanos

Originally posted by Philosophía
If the statistic you posted was truly that worthless to the discussion, then you could have posted that they're counting [b]both pre and post crisis appearances as to not induce people into thinking it's only the post-Crisis appearances, no?

And it's funny you're asking me this, since I'm the one who pointed out that the statistics must be including both the pre and post Crisis appearances, since the post-Crisis number is much smaller, because you were clueless. But now you're apparently trying to say that you knew all along, but chose to not mention that very important detail? 😂 [/B]

I didn't care about the detail or ever present those as accurate counts of anything, as you will clearly see if you look back through this thread or anywhere else I have used comicvine tallies in the past.

What they do illustrate is the point that Superman has vastly more appearances than Thanos. Maybe if I were presenting 6000 as some real empirical measure of something, sure, it would matter that there are eras or iterations of the character, that the tally doesn't take this into acount is moot because that is beside the point, as we could easily reduce the number of appearances Thanos has by a similar criteria.

Further, the fact Superman is old enough and has enough appearances to be divided into "eras" and "iterations" in the first place supports the larger point that I was making to begin with.

Originally posted by inimalist
What they do illustrate is the point that Superman has vastly more appearances than Thanos.

It's like taking a character from Marvel, counting all of his What Ifs, and saying that he has more appearances than another character, so this somewhat is relevant to something.

Originally posted by Philosophía
When all those appearances include alternate reality versions of Superman from dead universes, how is this statistic relevant in any way?

It's like taking a character from Marvel, counting all of his What Ifs, and saying that he has more appearances than another character, so this somewhat is relevant to something.

funny you should say that, as What If appearances are included in the comicvine tally...

could it be you are criticisizing something you have no idea about?

I ask you again, what was the point of posting that, when they're including the appearances of different versions of the character?

to have something a little more concrete than saying "Superman has way more appearances than Thanos, dur"

While the numbers aren't exact, its not like they don't illustrate something

Originally posted by inimalist
to have something a little more concrete than saying "Superman has way more appearances than Thanos, dur"

While the numbers aren't exact, its not like they don't illustrate something

That all of the appearances of the combined versions of all the Supermen in existence are larger than the appearances of Thanos?

Good job, inimalist! Stay relevant, my friend.

Originally posted by inimalist
to have something a little more concrete than saying "Superman has way more appearances than Thanos, dur"

While the numbers aren't exact, its not like they don't illustrate something

Originally posted by Philosophía
They illustrate what, pertaining to the Superman we use in debates (as in, not an amalgam of pre-Crisis, Red Son, Earth 22, Superman 1 Million and more) and Thanos?

That all of the appearances of the combined versions of all the Supermen in existence are larger than the appearances of Thanos?

Good job, inimalist! Stay relevant, my friend.

Originally posted by inimalist
that would be true, if that is what the tallies measured...

you are faulting them for not being a tally of the thing you want them to be, and I am certainly not even presenting them as evidence of anything, other than that is what the tallies look like.

That you think Superman only has 2000 appearances relevant to the thread doesn't invalidate anything

so don't worry about the number then, friend 🙂 problem solved

Originally posted by Starscream M
in all likelihood, you prob underestimated how much more appearances superman has than thanos with those issue appearaces.

I would agree, combined with the fact Superman is almost always the protagonist and one of the best selling characters in the DC stable, it would hardly be surprising that he has a number of ludicrously high end feats

So now that we don't use the "Superman has so much more appearances, it's unfair to have a feat-war with him!!" once it's debunked, we move on to the favorite second excuse, "He is DC's flagship character, of course he is going to have the feats!!"?

I love the double standards - we can't use the "He's Batman" excuse when we say why he wins, but once we actually provide feats, the opposition can say "He's Superman" as something that somehow makes feats unusable as a comparison method.

This is just pathetic.

Originally posted by inimalist
to have something a little more concrete than saying "Superman has way more appearances than Thanos, dur"

While the numbers aren't exact, its not like they don't illustrate something

ignore if your friend, inimal. 😉

and if i'm understanding what you're saying we should likely only be looking at thanos since, what, ss #75 when he came back because all prior appearances he was significantly less powerful. so yeah, that would drastically cut his 'relevant' appearances down.

as per the 'company stance' issue--thanos never loses to heralds. ever. never even close, actually, while both clark and orion have beaten ds 1on1. now you either believe that orion and clark>all marvel heralds (fine by me, just back it up) or they are NOT portrayed the same, despite their obvious similarities. i suppose in essence though what it really means is that clark and orion>ds avatar. which would mean thanos is analogous to a ds avatar, but.... feats and direct battles would indicate this isn't the case. wolverine also battled lobo if i recall right. they must be analogous too.

dc knows and has made it clear true ds>>>>>superman and greater than thanos too. comparisons between them will always exist, and perhaps an analogue will always be drawn, but people who read the books themselves know that the analogy is only apt to a point.

imo, thanos>ds avatar, but true ds>thanos.

I'm probably being Debbie Downer here, but uh.....

Is this thread necessary? Don't we already have a Superman vs Tha....

...ah forget it. It's whatever. It's effin' whatever.

It's because long pig hates Thanos and he wants to show it.

Argh.

Originally posted by Philosophía
So now that we don't use the "Superman has so much more appearances, it's unfair to have a feat-war with him!!" once it's debunked, we move on to the favorite second excuse, "He is DC's flagship character, of course he is going to have the feats!!"?

I love the double standards - we can't use the "He's Batman" excuse when we say why he wins, but once we actually provide feats, the opposition can say "He's Superman" as something that somehow makes feats unusable as a comparison method.

This is just pathetic.

I don't think anyone has made any of those arguments, or actually attempted to refute any superman feats, so a little less martyrdom....

Originally posted by leonidas
ignore if your friend, inimal. 😉

and if i'm understanding what you're saying we should likely only be looking at thanos since, what, ss #75 when he came back because all prior appearances he was significantly less powerful. so yeah, that would drastically cut his 'relevant' appearances down.

well, ya, that is more the practical side of it. We would also have to remove any IG appearances, or any HOTU issues, etc. The more conceptual one is that, these things exist for all characters, and whether it is to the same degree or not, we know EVERY character's comicvine score is going to be much higher than a measure of relevant comics for forums. Not only that, they are inaccurate for a host of other reasons.

However, I do think it provides a reasonable sort of comparison for judging how much a character has appeared versus another, over the years. Obviously we could fathom better tallies, but the practical side of, like starscream was saying, a page by page total, would be nonsensical

It's good to see you realize how idiotic the 'counting appearances and dressing it as a stealth argument' is.

Next time, refrain from doing so.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think anyone has made any of those arguments, or actually attempted to refute any superman feats

Originally posted by inimalist
I would agree, combined with the fact Superman is almost always the protagonist and one of the best selling characters in the DC stable, it would hardly be surprising that he has a number of ludicrously high end feats

actually, you can go as far back as the Wolverine vs Beast thread and see my position on this hasn't changed

It is unfortunate you are unable to see how I was using those numbers

Originally posted by inimalist
as far as feats are concerned...

Thanos: 366 appearances
Superman: 6829 appearances

You can't really backtrack on the internet because everything is right there, you see.