Originally posted by Philosophía
I can see how you used them just fine.You can't really backtrack on the internet because everything is right there, you see.
yes, superman has more appearances and would have more high end feats...
again, unless you think I'm using those numbers as accurate, exact portrayals of appearances, I don't see what you are missing...
Originally posted by inimalistcrylaugh
yes, superman has more appearances and would have more high end feats...
This is hilarious. So now you admit you used those numbers to justify why Superman has more high-end feats, eventough those numbers include all the versions of superman, even elseworlds and alternate universes?
This has got to be the worst attempted face-saving in KMC history.
Edit: Lawlz at the edit.
"I was using those numbers to show that, but not really!"
Originally posted by Omega Visionim pretty sure having more appearances = having more feats
I'm not sure the 'X character has more appearances' is ever a concrete indicator of anything but 'X character having more appearances'.
ie if I take a random sample of 20 issues of superman, I may not find any impressive feats. if I expand that to 200, probability increases that I will find some high end feats.
I have a feeling this was the point he was trying to make.
Originally posted by inimalist
its from comicvine. They keep a tally, so it is as accurate as any sort of user generated list like that is, but superior, I've found, to others, like comic db (which doesn't keep a tally, unfortunatly).The number is definately not exact, because it includes reprints and collections, but in this case, the difference is close to 15-20 times, which was my larger point. Give Thanos 6000+ appearances, and I bet he has some feats that make Clark blush.
I forget who said it, but someone mentioned Clark at his top is "abstract" level, not at how he normally is depicted though, whereas, imho, Thanos is constantly depicted at a level that surpasses Superman.
Originally posted by Starscream MIf you take 20 random issues of Superman, you'll not find him confronting high-heralds, or the story taking place in cosmic settings in most of them either.
im pretty sure having more appearances = having more featsie if I take a random sample of 20 issues of superman, I may not find any impressive feats. if I expand that to 200, probability increases that I will find some high end feats.
If you do the same for Thanos, the opposite is likely.
Originally posted by Hyperion PrimeIn a matter of seconds, Superman memorized the exact workings of the miracle machine (down to every last nut and bolt) - then he recalled said information, and used it as the blueprints to build his own miracle machine, from scratch.
What has Superman done that trumps Thanos in the IQ department. I am asking for just one example because i truley dont know.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not sure the 'X character has more appearances' is ever a concrete indicator of anything but 'X character having more appearances'.
Originally posted by Philosophía
crylaughThis is hilarious. So now you admit you used those numbers to justify why Superman has more high-end feats, eventough those numbers include all the versions of superman, even elseworlds and alternate universes?
This has got to be the worst attempted face-saving in KMC history.
this is actually a really simple rule, it is true of pretty much everything observable in the universe...
If you have a something that you measure 10 times and one that you measure 100 times, you are more likely to get extreme measures from the latter, even if the things are identical...
so, the value is X, +/- Y amount of variance, and Y can differ between +J and -K. When you take 10 measures, each time you have a chance of getting the max X+J or X-K value, but it is more likely that you will get less extreme values (Y will equal something between J and K). So, when you have 100 measures, you have the exact same odds of getting any X+J or X-K score on each measure, but overall, you have a better chance of one of those 100 measures being the max variance than you do with only 10 measures.
... I suppose you could try to argue against this...
Originally posted by inimalistIt's good to see you've retreated out of trying to dance around the initial, irrelevant and mis-informed appearances posting.
this is actually a really simple rule, it is true of pretty much everything observable in the universe...If you have a something that you measure 10 times and one that you measure 100 times, you are more likely to get extreme measures from the latter, even if the things are identical...
so, the value is X, +/- Y amount of variance, and Y can differ between +J and -K. When you take 10 measures, each time you have a chance of getting the max X+J or X-K value, but it is more likely that you will get less extreme values (Y will equal something between J and K). So, when you have 100 measures, you have the exact same odds of getting any X+J or X-K score on each measure, but overall, you have a better chance of one of those 100 measures being the max variance than you do with only 10 measures.
... I suppose you could try to argue against this...
Now, for your analogy to the measurements - that would be true, if not for the fact that the characters operate in completly different settings, and thus while it's easier to get the average of the character with consistent, limited number of performances and appearances, in this case Thanos - because he operates on a cosmic, and his appearances mostly involve taking mid/high heralds and high cosmic beings like Galactus, the same cannot be said for Superman, for Superman operates on every level of challenges - from street, to meta, to heralds and all the variations in-between and above, adjusting his power and performances accordingly, as its the nature of the character, as a hero, to hold back and not mantain a consistent, say, planet-busting or flash-level speedblitzing powerlevel.
Take 10 samples from Superman and, depending on what samples you take, he is a low-end brick confronting high-metas, or confronting teams of heralds and doing just fine. Is it fair to try and calculate his average from these two performances, as something in between? No, because the first example isn't a fair portrayal of what he is truly capable of, it's not an accurate display of power - and thus the measurements of power we observe are not accurate for the overall picture.
If we truly want to compare the average of Superman and Thanos, then the best course is to take their performances against teams, opponents, both high-end and top-tierish, and see what we can obtain, not say that all of Superman's performances at that same level are top-feats, and we shouldn't judge him based on that, but somewhat me must take a mean value between his performances against low-powered opponents and high-powered ones.
It's like, for example, having a person square off against a bunny, and then having him square off against a person of simiar age and build, and saying that what he's capable of on average is somewhere in-between, thus the person, or similar persons to the one he's fought, should be able to beat him. Or, to fit your anology better, have him square against 10 bunnies, 5 squrrels, and 3 persons, and counting the persons as high-end, or the 'extreme value'. It doesn't work like that.
Originally posted by Galan007
The best way to compare feats regarding Supes and Thanos is to look at their showings against the same level of foe - their battles against herald level characters, for instance.Because we know that Superman is WELL beyond Thanos, feat for feat.
yep. as supes is beyond practically everyone when it goes feat for feat. i do think that kal would do better against thanos than anyone else in marvel has done, but doesn't change the fact that thanos>supes.
Originally posted by leonidasHa. I'm sure Surfer has an equal edge in a feat war against Thanos, as does every other being that Thanos has struck down or outright beat in the past.
uh-oh, careful with that kind of talk smurph. could get you in trouble and lead to a feat war where it is clear clark surpasses him...... 😄
I guess Thanos probably falls in the meta tier. mmm