Originally posted by carver9
I edited my post... please look at the rest.
Originally posted by carver9
You can't show me things like this Rage. Wolverine completely rips Samson entire uniform off of him in one panel with pure super speed/hand movement.
You want blurry hand movement? I posted blurry hand movement.
Are we now going to pretend shit doesn't count unless it involves undressing someone?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You want blurry hand movement? I posted blurry hand movement.Are we now going to pretend shit doesn't count unless it involves undressing someone?
Lol... it doesn't have to be under dressing but its a sign of combat speed. Wolverine completely rips the guy uniform off in a panel into small pieces. That's fast hand movement... fast reflexes. Then Wolverine completely rips a guy to shreds yet again in some seconds. The guy along with Samson didn't even perceive any of this... hell, the guy in the first scan didn't even think Wolverine touched him.
This is another Quick Silver moment.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh, I get it. You think I'm posting that because it had the worst "instantly" in it. Such vague terms are meaningless unless a figure or something a lot more concrete is attached to it. I posted that because Thor is able to raise his arms, and redirect a telepathic bolt. As far as I've seen, psychic attacks (Telepathy) are consistently pretty high end in terms of speed.
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3954/captang30cy4.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬What?
Do you not understand that Surfer blasted Thor from behind, and Thor had the capabilities to turn around, then grab him by his neck?
Yes and? He tanked a shot and turned around and grabbed silver surfer. That does not make it an uber speed feat. He did not appear to be coming even remotely full speed. Hulk feat was extremely comparable to the feat you posted and he nothing in the combat speed department. The only difference between my hulk feat and your was, that instead of being blasted , he got slammed into, However what happen? he grabbed the guy by the throat just like Thor did. Also your feat was like mine, more durability then speed.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9681/feat1fight1ze9.jpg
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
this point, Surfer's goal was to use hit/run tactics to take down Thor:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer6.jpgHe wanted to wear him down because fighting him straight up was suicide at this point. That's why the fight was compromised of Surfer flying out of arms reach and blasting Thor. At one point, I believe he even flew away.
What is the issue number and title. I want to read this arc. those two scans dont show the context. I have a feeling something up with Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I get it. His using his hammer to fly. Why you think repeating that forms an argument is beyond me.
I not, I trying to get you to stop posting scans of thor clearly using his hammer. Were debating Thor combat speed to spiderma/wolverine ect. Thor using his hammer, is not his speed. He does not even posses a fraction of such speed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you not understand that the entire sequence happens while Skuttlebutt's flying at speeds multiple times faster than light?Thor isn't inside a ship in hyperspace.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/139/feat41fight5tr3.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
attacks in about two seconds. Logan's faster than I thought.I doubt as impressive as spotting a boy about to be run over across the city, diving out of the sky, striking the ground, and creating a shockwave to divert the truck in the span of one and one fifth of a second however.
Again it was his hammer. He accomplished this through the speed of his hammer and his strength, It had zero to do with Thor actual combat speed. Look at my feat, all wolverine, look at your? all hammer. I not argueing that Thor can fly faster with his hammer then wolverine or spiderman can move. I an argueing that Spiderman and Wolverine are faster then Thor himself in combat speed.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3539/reflexesmk5.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6773/reflexes4ln9.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Neat feat.It's not as impressive as catching or tracking Hermes. It's more of a prediction and reaction feat like this I wager:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsZefra.jpgThor still wins out bud.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Psychic bolts me at best, the speed of thought.
Like she said, it was a telepathic attack.
Telepaths aren’t usually fast but telepathy from what I’ve seen is usually fast.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/7628/captang29md1.jpg
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3954/captang30cy4.jpg
I get it, Wolverine was capable of dodging and deflecting optic blasts in that comic. His not the first. What’s the point of them?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes and? He tanked a shot and turned around and grabbed silver surfer. That does not make it an uber speed feat. He did not appear to be coming even remotely full speed. Hulk feat was extremely comparable to the feat you posted and he nothing in the combat speed department. The only difference between my hulk feat and your was, that instead of being blasted , he got slammed into, However what happen? he grabbed the guy by the throat just like Thor did. Also your feat was like mine, more durability then speed.
I don’t think you are comprehending what I’m saying. Surfer blasted Thor, and Thor turned around, and then grabbed him by his neck. This was while Surfer was attempting hit and run tactics. How on earth does that not make it an impressive speed feat? Surfer even outright said he was going all out not long before that:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight12.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight13.jpg
I’d bet good money the only reason you’re even debating this is because Surfer doesn’t have blurry lines while his blasting Thor. He doesn’t have to be leaving after images to be moving fast. Hell, the writer even directly touched upon Thor’s speed in that very fight:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsWarlockandSilverSurfer6.jpg
Haha, the only difference? Genis-Vell f*cking rammed Hulk into a lake. Jesus man.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9681/feat1fight1ze9.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4758/feat1fight2tp0.jpg
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Do you have a point or are you just posting scans for fun?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
What is the issue number and title. I want to read this arc. those two scans dont show the context. I have a feeling something up with Thor.
Lol? The only context is that Thor was insane. The fight happens in Warlock Chronicles #6.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not, I trying to get you to stop posting scans of thor clearly using his hammer. Were debating Thor combat speed to spiderma/wolverine ect. Thor using his hammer, is not his speed. He does not even posses a fraction of such speed.Yea I know and your point? I don't know why you insist on posting feats of the hammer speed, it beyond me. I not arguing how fast the hammer can move, I argueing how fast Thor can move in combat with out the assistance of his hammer.
😐
What. Are. You. Not. Understanding?
I’ve made it abundantly clear why that is something worth nothing. That entire sequence happens while they are moving at speeds faster than light. That entire interaction is at trans light speeds. Do you not comprehend that Thor was actively engaging in a battle at those speeds? That he had to operate at a certain level for those events to be possible?
It is irrelevant that Mjolnir is in his hands. Thor isn't simply flying in a straight line. I’m posting Thor getting into an actual battle. It’s in the same vein as Bill fighting Surfer while they are moving at faster than light speeds:
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_surfer1.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_surfer2.jpg
Note Bill striking a faster than light moving Surfer by the way.
I won’t repeat this again.
Make an actual point instead of regurgitating the same shit or concede.
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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Again it was his hammer. He accomplished this through the speed of his hammer and his strength, It had zero to do with Thor actual combat speed. Look at my feat, all wolverine, look at your? all hammer. I not argueing that Thor can fly faster with his hammer then wolverine or spiderman can move. I an argueing that Spiderman and Wolverine are faster then Thor himself in combat speed.
Okay, I honestly think you're just being purposefully difficult here unless you think just having Mjolnir in his hands directly amps his speed. Make a serious argument, concede, or I’m getting a mod ruling on this. How is that all hammer? Why are you focusing on his flight speed?
Thor witnessed an accident about to happen across the city, flew down, and struck the ground causing a shock wave to save the boy all in the span of one and one fifth of a second.
Do you not understand that Thor isn’t some kind of robot that is controlled by his hammer? Thor actually had to see the boy, change directions, fly down, raise his hands, and strike the ground?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3539/reflexesmk5.jpg
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6773/reflexes4ln9.jpg
Is their a point to all these random scans? If you think tagging Nightcrawler is somehow supposed to be impressive right after he teleports, then here you go:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ReactsPhoenixBlast2.jpg
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
The feat you posted last time, was thor hitting a tree.........
I’m talking about Thor being able to track Hermes and being able to catch him. And yes, he used the hammer to fly in that last scene but guess what? Thor isn’t an automation controlled by Mjolnir like you seem to think. He had to operate at those speeds, whatever they were. Note the hand closing around the ankle.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... it doesn't have to be under dressing but its a sign of combat speed. Wolverine completely rips the guy uniform off in a panel into small pieces. That's fast hand movement... fast reflexes. Then Wolverine completely rips a guy to shreds yet again in some seconds. The guy along with Samson didn't even perceive any of this... hell, the guy in the first scan didn't even think Wolverine touched him.
Like I said, if you want Thor doing something blurry in a single panel, I already posted an example:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SuperSpeed.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusumm it specificially states almost faster than the eye can follow. It's actually pretty easy to trick a human eye in terms of speed. Hell I can do it waving a pencil. It's still pretty snail paced to speedsters.
Like I said, if you want Thor doing something blurry in a single panel, I already posted an example:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/SuperSpeed.jpg
Holy hell. So i went and read the Mongoose story, and not only he beat Thor near death, he beat Thundstrike AND spiderman to near death, too...all at the same time! Mongoose was so much faster than Spiderman that his spidy sense was too slow to make a difference. He blitzed friggin Spidey. the only reason he didn't kill them all was because Herc' intervened. Hell, his weapones were crazy. He k.o'd Thor with one blast. I like this guy.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
before I answer this long as post, what was the point of showing wolverine against wendigo?
What was the point of the Masterson and Spider-Man scans?
Originally posted by long pig
Holy hell. So i went and read the Mongoose story, and not only he beat Thor near death, he beat Thundstrike AND spiderman to near death, too...all at the same time! Mongoose was so much faster than Spiderman that his spidy sense was too slow to make a difference. He blitzed friggin Spidey. the only reason he didn't kill them all was because Herc' intervened. Hell, his weapones were crazy. He k.o'd Thor with one blast. I like this guy.
What? He never beat Thor to near death. But Thor had to fight to say conscious. It should also be noted that Mongoose blasted Thor out of the air with his airship, and used his gas to daze/disorient/weaken Thor.
What? No, he didn't knock Thor out in one hit. Even after the beating Thor withstood, he blasted Thor with the -Evolutionary's(?)- tech like twice and he was still standing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What was the point of the Masterson and Spider-Man scans?
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To show spiderman display superior speed. you make me chuckle. You do realise that wendigo is a sourcer who had doctor strange wetting his pants. Also I got couple problems with some of your "evidence" becuase you seem to not be completely forth coming with what you pass off as normal ever day thor.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
To show spiderman display superior speed. you make me chuckle. You do realise that wendigo is a sourcer who had doctor strange wetting his pants.
Then that's what I did. Notice how Wolverine's speed was completely ineffective against Mauvais? Okay, and? I didn't read that battle but I also don't remember him going Abra Kadbra when he beat Wolverine into a coma.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also I got couple problems with some of your "evidence" becuase you seem to not be completely forth coming with what you pass off as normal ever day thor.
I posted a scene from Blood and Thunder before he got the Power Gem. That is me not being completely forthcoming? Lol. Almost everyone and their mother knows where that fight is from.
Ho ho ho, what a strawman.
Would you care to point out were that limitation was placed on this discussion?
Thor was insane, not augmented by some outside force. The feats are valid.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI posted a scene from Blood and Thunder before he got the Power Gem. That is me not being completely forthcoming? Lol. Almost everyone and their mother knows where that fight is from.
Ho ho ho, what a strawman.
Would you care to point out were that limitation was placed on this discussion?
Thor was insane, not augmented by some outside force. The feats are valid.
the entire two issues is completely invalid when pertaining to every day thor.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He was warrior madness which amps him. That a huge difference, you straight up said nothing, good as lied. Yea I mean whats wrong with not explaining that the feats your presenting are thor in an alter state of being which in turn amps his abilities significantly. Yea that not a big deal what debating combat speed or anything.the entire two issues is completely invalid when pertaining to every day thor.
Hahaha, this is pretty cute. Thor was not in Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder.
I've never left out vital information -at least purposefully- or misled anyone regarding a feat. Frankly, if I'm not lazy or have access to them, I'd usually post the scan. Barring that, the issue number. Anyone who tries to lie about comics needs to get their priorities in order.
Enough with the strawman. Stop trying to pretend like I was posting feats that applied only to the everyday Thor that operates on Earth. I never applied that limitation. Why would I? We're posting their higher end feats.
Ridiculous.
Anyways, later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then that's what I did. Notice how Wolverine's speed was completely ineffective against Mauvais? Okay, and? I didn't read that battle but I also don't remember him going Abra Kadbra when he beat Wolverine into a coma.
Honestly you could not have picked a worse example. For starters, what I posted was relevent. Spidy and thor are both being discussed in terms of speed, Spidy was stated by Thor as having superior speed. It quite relevant, despite your distaste for it.
However how on earth is Mavius relevent? You do realise he has the sourcer supreme almost pissing him pants, That was before he became full powered, That guy wolverine "speed" is not helping him with, is one of the most powerful beings in marvel. The enitre alpha flight was there as well, You might want to actually read the comic. He was beating the shit out of them. He also had an army of wendigo with him (and not the pussy once from recent years) and was blacking magic out of his hands and was signicantly amp. By far the most powerful and fastest wendigo there has ever been one one of the top sources ever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hahaha, this is pretty cute. Thor was not in Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder.I've never left out vital information -at least purposefully- or misled anyone regarding a feat. Frankly, if I'm not lazy or have access to them, I'd usually post the scan. Barring that, the issue number. Anyone who tries to lie about comics needs to get their priorities in order.
Enough with the strawman. Stop trying to pretend like I was posting feats that applied only to the everyday Thor that operates on Earth. I never applied that limitation. Why would I? We're posting their higher end feats.
Ridiculous.
Anyways, later.
You not posting scans is not the problem. The problem is you posting two scans completely out of context failing to mention that he was amp. Your reason is not a good excuse, becuase you were lazy you just forgot to mention thor was amped while trying to pass his feat of as a norm?
Your not using the term right at all. You did post feats and fail to mention that thor was amp.
See here your problem, your posting his highest feats, I am not. I never attempted to. All i did was match yours. I was trying to go for consistence.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
hahahaha.Honestly you could not have picked a worse example. For starters, what I posted was relevent. Spidy and thor are both being discussed in terms of speed, Spidy was stated by Thor as having superior speed. It quite relevant, despite your distaste for it.
However how on earth is Mavius relevent? You do realise he has the sourcer supreme almost pissing him pants, That was before he became full powered, That guy wolverine "speed" is not helping him with, is one of the most powerful beings in marvel. The enitre alpha flight was there as well, You might want to actually read the comic. He was beating the shit out of them. He also had an army of wendigo with him (and not the pussy once from recent years) and was blacking magic out of his hands and was signicantly amp. By far the most powerful and fastest wendigo there has ever been one one of the top sources ever.
So you're done with the entire Blood and Thunder thing? Good.
What I posted was also relevant. Look at the scans. So something has to include at least two of the characters being discussed here to be relevant?
I read the issue, I know Alpha Flight was present. Again, the point of the scan was to show that Wolverine's speed being ineffective as I'm almost certain was the point of your scan. He smacked Wolverine away, and caught his arm. Just because his a powerful cannibalistic sorcerer doesn't somehow invalidate it. If you hadn't notice, he was beating Wolverine down with his bare hands.
It's relevant just as this:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/MCP152-09.jpg
If I simply wanted to embarrass Wolverine, I'd post Sasquatch, Wendigo, Jahf, Mosses Magnum encounters etc.
For the record, Masterson was no Thor:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor2.jpg
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He was clearly amp. Are you gunna try and pretend he wasent?You not posting scans is not the problem. The problem is you posting two scans completely out of context failing to mention that he was amp. Your reason is not a good excuse, becuase you were lazy you just forgot to mention thor was amped while trying to pass his feat of as a norm?
Your not using the term right at all. You did post feats and fail to mention that thor was amp.
See here your problem, your posting his highest feats, I am not. I never attempted to. All i did was match yours. I was trying to go for consistence.
He was not amped. Thor during Blood and Thunder was not under Warrior Madness. Thor during Blood and Thunder was simply insane. Was it a higher end portrayal? Yes, but so what?
Enough with this idiocy and strawmanning. Make an actual argument or concede.
At no point did I limit myself to using Thor's mediocre showings like him deflecting bullets and such. I also did not leave out any context, Thor was not amped but crazy. Christ, everyone and their mother knows that fight was from Blood and Thunder.
There's no excuse because I don't need an excuse. I did absolutely nothing wrong.
Now stop with this stupidity. It's early and I'm in no mood for this. This is bordering on outright trolling.
Haha oh please. Those didn't include at least some of Logan's best showings of speed? If not, then post his greatest speed feats.
