Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganSpeedforce is constantly growing with every step Flash takes IIRC
He was clearly amp. Are you gunna try and pretend he wasent?You not posting scans is not the problem. The problem is you posting two scans completely out of context failing to mention that he was amp. Your reason is not a good excuse, becuase you were lazy you just forgot to mention thor was amped while trying to pass his feat of as a norm?
Your not using the term right at all. You did post feats and fail to mention that thor was amp.
See here your problem, your posting his highest feats, I am not. I never attempted to. All i did was match yours. I was trying to go for consistence.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you're done with the entire Blood and Thunder thing? Good.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What I posted was also relevant. Look at the scans. So something has to include at least two of the characters being discussed here to be relevant?
No it was not at all relevant. All you did was post scans of a character that should beat wolverine 100 out of 100 times and the character was winning. what relevant to that in terms of are debate?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you're done with the entire Blood and Thunder thing? Good.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
read the issue, I know Alpha Flight was present. Again, the point of the scan was to show that Wolverine's speed being ineffective as I'm almost certain was the point of your scan. He smacked Wolverine away, and caught his arm. Just because his a powerful cannibalistic sorcerer doesn't somehow invalidate it. If you hadn't notice, he was beating Wolverine down with his bare hands.
It more then an issue long, the fight it self take roughly 3 to 5 issues. So your idea of relevance was showing wolverine speed to be ineffective against a being who scares the shit out of the sorcerer supreme has the body of the most powerful wendigo ever, and on top of that is wicked powerful magic user with thousands of years of experience.......right 🙄
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's relevant just as this:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/A_Flight5/MCP152-09.jpg
except this one not relevant or did you not know wolverine form that scan has nonexistent healing factor for the most part and was near death for extremely long time
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I simply wanted to embarrass Wolverine, I'd post Sasquatch, Wendigo, Jahf, Mosses Magnum encounters etc.
Sorry, but this is pathetic. I post a scan to help support my arguement that Spiderman/wolverine combat speed is better then Thors. So you instead go a head and try to get back at me for posting evidence, by trying to find extremely embarrassing showings for wolverine? Despite how irrelevant they are? And then on top of that you post this nonsense which was pretty much a threat to post a bunch of even more irrelevant moments in wolverine career? Your a class act you know that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
the record, Masterson was no Thor:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor2.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
was not amped. Thor during Blood and Thunder was not under Warrior Madness. Thor during Blood and Thunder was simply insane. Was it a higher end portrayal? Yes, but so what?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Enough with this idiocy and strawmanning. Make an actual argument or concede.
You did not use that term correctly in the least. And your just pissed I called you out on your BS. I glad I did, because you should not do shit like that it shady.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At no point did I limit myself to using Thor's mediocre showings like him deflecting bullets and such. I also did not leave out any context, Thor was not amped but crazy. Christ, everyone and their mother knows that fight was from Blood and Thunder.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
no excuse because I don't need an excuse. I did absolutely nothing wrong.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
stop with this stupidity. It's early and I'm in no mood for this. This is bordering on outright trolling.
Then man the **** up. And dont sit there and insult my intelligence with BS answer.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus[/B][/QUOTE]
Haha oh please. Those didn't include at least some of Logan's best showings of speed? If not, then post his greatest speed feats.
Why should I post them? you provide some evidence that proves Thor is superior combat speed wise. I gladly beat it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganI just love the fact that even though Thor has faced the likes of hulk, juggernaut, gladiator, surtur, loki, etc...it ends up that a hairy canadian runt becomes his foil
it not even wolverine vs thor, It wolverine/spiderman combat speed versus Thors.I might not have made that clear in my last post.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I just love the fact that even though Thor has faced the likes of hulk, juggernaut, gladiator, surtur, loki, etc...it ends up that a hairy canadian runt becomes his foil
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
My theory was proven correct, Im good. There zero reason to debate amp version of a characters speed.
facepalm Once again, he wasn’t amped. Not how you would need it to be for it to be invalid.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No it was not at all relevant. All you did was post scans of a character that should beat wolverine 100 out of 100 times and the character was winning. what relevant to that in terms of are debate?
I get it, Mauvais was a powerful sorcerer. I posted scans of their hand to hand encounter in which Logan’s speed was easily countered. That was the point of the scans.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
My theory was proven correct, Im good. There zero reason to debate amp version of a characters speed, so I says so.
facepalm Once again, he wasn’t amped. Not how you would need it to be for it to be invalid.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It more then an issue long, the fight it self take roughly 3 to 5 issues. So your idea of relevance was showing wolverine speed to be ineffective against a being who scares the shit out of the sorcerer supreme has the body of the most powerful wendigo ever, and on top of that is wicked powerful magic user with thousands of years of experience.......right 🙄
I get it, Mauvais was a powerful sorcerer. I posted scans of their hand to hand encounter in which Logan’s speed was easily countered. That was the point of the scans.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
except this one not relevant or did you not know wolverine form that scan has nonexistent healing factor for the most part and was near death for extremely long time
The relevancy of that scan was his fist being easily caught. I understand that Logan’s healing factor and such was a mess but he was near death as well? I didn’t remember that being the case. If it is, ignore it then.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Sorry, but this is pathetic. I post a scan to help support my arguement that Spiderman/wolverine combat speed is better then Thors. So you instead go a head and try to get back at me for posting evidence, by trying to find extremely embarrassing showings for wolverine? Despite how irrelevant they are? And then on top of that you post this nonsense which was pretty much a threat to post a bunch of even more irrelevant moments in wolverine career? Your a class act you know that.
*sigh*
I’m not some twirling mustache villain. They weren’t there to embarrass Wolverine –which is what I guessed was your assumption- and me mentioning those scenes weren’t a threat. It was me indicating that if embarrassing Wolverine was in fact my goal, I could find much better examples. Hence, embarrassing Wolverine wasn’t the main point of said scans.
I don’t read any Wolverine anymore and haven’t read his comics in a while. I’m sure he has some poor speed specific shows but I’m not going to dig for them.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I would not have posted it, if I had known he was inferior, my mistake sorry.
It’s alright.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes he was, dont play games. Even if it not warrior madness which it very well could be ,
facepalmx2
I’m not playing any games. Adam Warlock and Thanos confirm that it was not Warrior Madness with their instruments:
http://img812.imageshack.us/i/warlockchronicles801.jpg/
http://img40.imageshack.us/i/warlockchronicles802.jpg/
http://img192.imageshack.us/i/warlockchronicles804.jpg/
Odin outright says it’s not the actual Warrior Madness:
And a little tip, at this point Warrior Madness was simply a God going mad or becoming blood lusted. There was no amp or what not. The 10x thing was revealed like 5 years later.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
because Bill states warrior madness and indicates thor, however scan was to small for me to read out the last bit to be certain. This idea that he was not amp is simply BS. Bill makes direct statement that madness is givng Thor more strength. Warlock directly states he faster then before. There few other implication as well in the text. So to deny that he was amp is just bull faced lie. Not to mention the fact, you can clearly see it in the fight, He was bursting with absurd amount of energy. He took bill out with single blast, he was complete unbothered by silver surfer attacks and warlocks. Oh and even enrage no holding back Surfer got beasted. So this idea it a high showing, and he amp is extreme denial and wishful thinking on your part.
Yes, everyone knows Bill assumed it was Warrior Madness but he was proven completely wrong. That was simply them jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Bill said Thor drew strength from the Madness if you didn't read it, even assuming that’s not just metaphysical crap which it almost assuredly is, Bill was still operating under false information. Strange also said that Thor was now nigh unstoppable while driven by his rage but once again, obviously can't be literal. And no, Strange didn't mention the Madness, he knew that Thor wasn't under it and was just mad.
No Adam Warlock states Thor’s faster than he remembered. That’s a very big and important distinction. His basing his opinion of Thor from decades back when he was HIM. Comparisons based off of memory, specifically memory that in that very fight was questioned. And you were talking to me about hyperbole.
This logic always cracked me up. Thor had to be amped because he beat the shit out of his “peers”. It is an absolutely ridiculous line of thinking and one easily debunked. Surfer has directly admitted inferiority to Thor on panel:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight5.jpg
Thor has withstood multiple repeated blasts from a significantly amped Surfer ending up only off his feet. Even then, it was because he was holding back noticeably and he immediately recovered once Sif was in danger:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer1fight3.jpg
Thor even went on to own Bill after Blood and Thunder:
http://img819.imageshack.us/i/billx.jpg/
ZOMG! Thor was amped! For the record, he one shotted a battered Bill.
Do you even know the origin of the arc? It’s that Thor has gone crazy because Odin took part of Thor’s power and placed it into copies:
There was absolutely no –outside- amp shown or indicated during Blood and Thunder.
Thor simply lost it and was operating at all cylinders. Because an all out Thor is above what some are comfortable with, we get this shit. It’s not my fault Thor goes above and beyond what people believe are his limits. Christ, every time Thor utterly outperforms what we and his opponents expect are his limits, we might as well argue he got an off panel upgrade if we’re going to go down this route.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
You did not use that term correctly in the least. And your just pissed I called you out on your BS. I glad I did, because you should not do shit like that it shady.
I did not use the term correctly?
Here is what you said I was doing:
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also I got couple problems with some of your "evidence" becuase you seem to not be completely forth coming with what you pass off as normal ever day thor.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
becuase you were lazy you just forgot to mention thor was amped while trying to pass his feat of as a norm?
NOW QUOTE WHERE I SAID I WAS LIMITHING THIS ONLY TO AN EVERYDAY/AVERAGE THOR.
And while we wait for you to find that quote –hint: It doesn’t exist- here’s a definition of starwman:
“ Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.”
Sound familiar doesn’t it?
Lmao. There’s no hidden conspiracy son. Everyone knows where that fight is from and what state Thor was in. How am I supposed to know you’re one of the few people who didn’t know it was from Blood and Thunder?
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Dont even try that crap. nice going with the dramatic card. So me saying you need to let people in to the fact you are using amp version of the character as evidence or that you should be going with consistence showing, for you translated into limiting one self to mediocre showings 🙄 Come one now.
Thor was not amped, not like he would need to be for it to be invalid. I won’t say it again. I didn’t say it was from Blood and Thunder because I didn’t think I needed to. When you asked for any possible things different with Thor, I straight up told you.
That’s completely different from what you’re doing. You’re presenting my stance as going with consistent showings and then trying to form an argument against it because I posted Blood and Thunder.
I assume in an attempt to try and draw attention from the previous debate.
Yes, they are mediocre based on his high end showings. It’s all true,
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
you keep telling your self that.
I will.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Then man the **** up. And dont sit there and insult my intelligence with BS answer.
Man the f*ck up? Bullshit answers? Have you not been reading my posts? It’s not my
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I did not post you wolverine best showings, I very rarely post him at his best. Carver may have, posted some, but I sure did not.Why should I post them? you provide some evidence that proves Thor is superior combat speed wise. I gladly beat it.
Okay then, please post Wolverine’s best showings. It’s a request.
crylaugh
You haven’t even finished the last debate, tried to steer away from feats you couldn’t match like they were magically forgotten and someone how you’re winning?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dramatic? K.Thor was not amped, not like he would need to be for it to be invalid. I won’t say it again. I didn’t say it was from Blood and Thunder because I didn’t think I needed to. When you asked for any possible things different with Thor, I straight up told you.
That’s completely different from what you’re doing. You’re presenting my stance as going with consistent showings and then trying to form an argument against it because I posted Blood and Thunder.
I assume in an attempt to try and draw attention from the previous debate.
Yes, they are mediocre based on his high end showings. It’s all true,
I will.
Man the f*ck up? Bullshit answers? Have you not been reading my posts? It’s not my
Okay then, please post Wolverine’s best showings. It’s a request.
crylaugh
You haven’t even finished the last debate, tried to steer away from feats you couldn’t match like they were magically forgotten and someone how you’re winning?
Rage...
I'm going to HAT saying this but your feats are lame. You haven't showed us anything similar to what we have shown you. Not even close.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm Once again, he wasn’t amped. Not how you would need it to be for it to be invalid.I
I respond to the rest of the posts including the one page or so back, I you mention when I have time.
So are you debating by kmc rules or not? I just little confused based off one of your post were you seem to imply your not, but perhaps I miss read it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganI hope your grammar on your paper is better than your grammar on your KMC posts.
i some how completely missed it. I apologies for being an ass hole. I just haven't slept in over 48 hours and are still working on a paper. I really am sorry, that was uncalled for by me.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I wanted to apologies. I did not see before that you had responded telling me what the context of those scans were. i some how completely missed it. I apologies for being an ass hole. I just haven't slept in over 48 hours and are still working on a paper. I really am sorry, that was uncalled for by me.I respond to the rest of the posts including the one page or so back, I you mention when I have time.
So are you debating by kmc rules or not? I just little confused based off one of your post were you seem to imply your not, but perhaps I miss read it.
Without looking back, I think I told you that right when I told you the issue number. Is that why you were pretending like I was trying to deceive you or something? I'd never to do that.
You'll respond to it later? I'm fine with that.
What? Can you quote me or something? I'm a little confused by what you mean.
