Actual Power vs Potential Power

Originally posted by Uriel005
Naw leave the tragedy schtick alone they tried it with Peter Parker I didn't care too much for it.

Eh. It doesn't have to be a tragedy - its just comics fastest way to a change. Having Scott give him some kind of leadership responsibility might help him mature. Then using his powers in creative ways - even just the ones we've seen him do -ON PANEL- a number of times would be something better than his "norm" which consistes of ice slide, ice blast, ice shield, rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by 753
true that. I feel they wasted the label on him and wasted the character with a caticature of his personality.

I agree. I just wish it wasn't so.

So hmm why should Captain Marvel clearly be more powerful than Superman?

As for the thread I think Hydroman is a candidate for having a lot of potential.

Originally posted by 753
I think its his relationship with cytorrak and his refusal to lose his self completely that always hold him back no matter what. cytorrak has rold him that he isnt the one that limits him, juggs does it himself.

That's my whole point Cain could be even more dangerous and a thousand more times dangerous if he'd only focus more and stop limiting himself.

Which a writer could fix.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He's the weakest omega, bar none.

I point you sir, to Mr Immortal.

Vulcan.

Despite his incompetence, he is around Magneto level when he should be closer to the likes of Genis-Vell or even the current Solar.

Originally posted by "Id"
Vulcan.

Despite his incompetence, he is around Magneto level when he should be closer to the likes of Genis-Vell or even the current Solar.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
I point you sir, to Mr Immortal.

Not a mutant, not an omega, but Homo s. supreme.

At least last I checked. Iceman is still on the lower end of the spectrum of other omega mutants. I wonder what the original writer had planned for him when they labeled him such. They even reference it time and again - in First Class he was compared to a frost giant. In Ultimate X-men, they tell of a future Bobby who's the greatest super hero of them all, with much better powers (which Bishop hints at).

He's been around for phucking ever. Someone needs to just nike it up.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not a mutant, not an omega, but Homo s. supreme.

At least last I checked. Iceman is still on the lower end of the spectrum of other omega mutants. I wonder what the original writer had planned for him when they labeled him such. They even reference it time and again - in First Class he was compared to a frost giant. In Ultimate X-men, they tell of a future Bobby who's the greatest super hero of them all, with much better powers (which Bishop hints at).

He's been around for phucking ever. Someone needs to just nike it up.

Terrax

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Captain Marvel, if he was as popular as superman he would clearly be shown to be more powerful than Superman ,which is how it should be anyways

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Agreed.

Martian manhunter too!

DC need to show more love to character's who are not superman.

Avalanche should be more powerful than he is. And so should brother nature.

Magma too should be up there.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Not a mutant, not an omega, but Homo s. supreme.

At least last I checked. Iceman is still on the lower end of the spectrum of other omega mutants. I wonder what the original writer had planned for him when they labeled him such. They even reference it time and again - in First Class he was compared to a frost giant. In Ultimate X-men, they tell of a future Bobby who's the greatest super hero of them all, with much better powers (which Bishop hints at).

He's been around for phucking ever. Someone needs to just nike it up.

I thought he was a mutant, but he had just evolved beyond normal mutants as a s. Supreme rather than Superior? So basically what an Omega should be- to mutants what mutants are to humans.

That being said, other than Mr Immortal, you're right, Iceman is probably the most wasted Omega- even Vulcan is far more impressive and he's barely impressive at that.

The lower end of Omega's seem to be Iceman, Vulcan etc who don't live up to their potential, then you have the other end of MJJ, Jamie Braddock, Legion etc who are reality warping monsters who have lived up to their name.

Martian Manhunter and Apocalypse are a couple more that could be explored further.

I'd like to see Apocalypse used off of Marvel Earth and get involved in the cosmic game. Maybe have an arc where he goes to another planet inhabited by a race of primitive beings with superhuman powers and through experimentation and eugenics he creates a master race in his own image that becomes a big threat universally. I'd also like for them to play up his connection to the Celestials more. I remember reading a non canon story by Simonson where it showed that Apocalypse was supposed to be like the genetic "middle ground" between an Eternal and a Deviant (which explained his powers, and illustrated his not being a homo superior/human mutant at all, but something else entirely). I think that should be brought into his main 616 character. It could be something like Apocalypse being the Celestials 'control' for their genetic experiments (a single being containing the genetic traits of all of the humanoid races the Celestials have created (Baseline Humans, Mutants, Eternals, Deviants, and Technarch), which would explain the range and variety of his powerset. The possibilities there would be enormous.

As for J'onn, I really wish they would stop punking him out. He should be a top gun.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Martian Manhunter and Apocalypse are a couple more that could be explored further.

I'd like to see Apocalypse used off of Marvel Earth and get involved in the cosmic game. Maybe have an arc where he goes to another planet inhabited by a race of primitive beings with superhuman powers and through experimentation and eugenics he creates a master race in his own image that becomes a big threat universally. I'd also like for them to play up his connection to the Celestials more. I remember reading a non canon story by Simonson where it showed that Apocalypse was supposed to be like the genetic "middle ground" between an Eternal and a Deviant (which explained his powers, and illustrated his not being a homo superior/human mutant at all, but something else entirely). I think that should be brought into his main 616 character. It could be something like Apocalypse being the Celestials 'control' for their genetic experiments (a single being containing the genetic traits of all of the humanoid races the Celestials have created (Baseline Humans, Mutants, Eternals, Deviants, and Technarch), which would explain the range and variety of his powerset. The possibilities there would be enormous.

As for J'onn, I really wish they would stop punking him out. He should be a top gun.

I completely agree about Apocalypse. He should be much more powerful. His powers are somewhat limitless.

Also I would say Skaar. Particularly with the use of his old power. It seems to me he has tons of potential given who his patents are.

Firestorm. With all the abilities that he has, I think that he should be up there.

Originally posted by "Id"
Vulcan.

Despite his incompetence, he is around Magneto level when he should be closer to the likes of Genis-Vell or even the current Solar.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Martian Manhunter and Apocalypse are a couple more that could be explored further.

I'd like to see Apocalypse used off of Marvel Earth and get involved in the cosmic game. Maybe have an arc where he goes to another planet inhabited by a race of primitive beings with superhuman powers and through experimentation and eugenics he creates a master race in his own image that becomes a big threat universally. I'd also like for them to play up his connection to the Celestials more. I remember reading a non canon story by Simonson where it showed that Apocalypse was supposed to be like the genetic "middle ground" between an Eternal and a Deviant (which explained his powers, and illustrated his not being a homo superior/human mutant at all, but something else entirely). I think that should be brought into his main 616 character. It could be something like Apocalypse being the Celestials 'control' for their genetic experiments (a single being containing the genetic traits of all of the humanoid races the Celestials have created (Baseline Humans, Mutants, Eternals, Deviants, and Technarch), which would explain the range and variety of his powerset. The possibilities there would be enormous.

As for J'onn, I really wish they would stop punking him out. He should be a top gun.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Rachel Summers as Phoenix.

During the Necrom/Rachel throwdown we saw what she was capable of but only because of Necrom. Using a fraction of the power Rachel had access to he obliterated an entire solar system and he was just warming up!

In theory she was capable of that and then some! But alas the best she could come up with was a solar flare. LOL.

Magneto. He has control over electromagnetism... dude should be nearly omnipotent. On a whim he should be able to disable to very force that holds matter together and scatter even the most powerful of characters across the universe. Anyone with a solid body or energy based powers should be completely at his mercy.

Captain Marvel could be written to be more popular, obviously, but I doubt any surge in popularity would make him that much more powerful. Heck, they made Billy more powerful and he got wiped out by Black Adam. More exposure would definitely help raise his stock, though I find it amazing how people want him to be more powerful than Superman, when they were not so long ago ranting and raving about how they're equal.

Makes me wonder how things would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

Superman is always going to be the go to guy imo, regardless of what the haters say.