Re: Comic book battles
so, how comics would depict it?
Thor vs Orion - Thor
HP Doomsday vs Hulk - Hulk
Spiderman vs Deathstroke - Spidey
Superman vs Surfer - Superman
Wonder Woman vs Gladiator - Wonder woman
Darkseid vs Thanos - some type of tie
Wolverine vs Batman - stalemate
Deathstroke vs Captain America - Cap
Superman vs Sentry (no void) - Supes
follow that money
Originally posted by CosmicComet
^I didn't mean being a herald level thing was unique to Diana and that Gladiator was not, I just mean that on that note they are on equal ground, so powerwise either could be given the win, and then combine that with the fact that she is an important woman character, and gladiator is a relatively unimportant male character, it makes more sense that she would be given the win as its more sensational to see the woman win than the dude.
That's a big (regrettable or not) factor in this. I think it's difficult to ignore - if not impossible to ignore - in a comic book matchup.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again though, you kinda danced around the question again... So I'm correct is saying Glads has ZERO wins against ANYBODY on Thanos level or even close to his level as you admit right? Thus, it would also be a true statement.. that it's just wishful thinking on your part to think Glads could beat Thanos, when he's never beaten anybody at Thanos level or above?
I agree, he has never defeated anyone on Thanos level but he did fight someone above Thanos (Tyrant) and it took a chain of attacks to drop Glads. I'm just basing this off of power scaling. He has dropped Heralds pretty easily and he has also one punched High Heralds, dazing them.
I'm literally looking at feats along with what characters think of him. Even Quasar was shocked at Glads phyisical powers.
I would give Thanos the win with all powers included but in a fist fight... Naah because again, the guy punch to d*** hard.
Now can you answer my question.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Pr buddy, you know Carver better than most having debated with him countless times. Does he usually say Glads wins a fight agianst a particular foe, when Glads has never beaten anybody on that level before. Is this a common practice of his? I just don't understand how he can say Glads can beat somebody at Thanos power level, when he's never beaten anybody at that level or above or really close to it.
You know you started with me right? I'm kind of stubborn, so you should have thought twice before picking me out.
😛
This is between us 2... me and Pr is discussing another topic in another thread so he is too busy to help you.
I mean your question really doesn't make sense... Are you saying Glads is stronger than Odin or stronger than Hulk or Champion? You're right, there are plenty of people more powerful than Glads in every way imaginable. Thus, he choosing Glads, was nothing more than the writer choosing to use Glads for whatever his reaons. NOT and I repeat NOT because Glads was the most powerful person to choose from in the Marvel universe. I didn't answer because I thought this answer was clear already, but I obliged you anways buddy.
Originally posted by carver9
You know you started with me right? I'm kind of stubborn, so you should have thought twice before picking me out.😛
This is between us 2... me and Pr is discussing another topic in another thread so he is too busy to help you.
I do like you carver, you're a funny guy, and a good member of this site. You contribute and are passionate about comics 🙂
Originally posted by -Pr-
he's a herald leveller too. gender doesn't come in to it for me. plus, it's comics; they're not exactly a bastion of political correctness.as far as the wolverine batman thing goes, this:
along with what PG said is pretty much what i'm talking about.
fact + imo = bad phrasing.
Thor/Hulk/Superman/Hank Pym wasn't available. Besides, a comment like that doesn't really hold up in a debate.
But Diana is the one fighting him. I can see Diana beating him too; that's just who i'd pick if i was writing the comic is all. if it was a group battle, then I might see things differently.
Thor and Hulk was available. Thanos chose some of the most powerful beings in the universe for his clones...hell, he even got dna from big G himself. Why did he chose Gladiator out of all the beings flying around the universe?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I do like you carver, you're a funny guy, and a good member of this site. You contribute and are passionate about comics 🙂
You are cool as well... never had any issues with you at all. I just want us to settle this Hulk vs Thanos fist fight and Gladiator vs Thanos fist fight match that we have been discussing for a while now.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I mean your question really doesn't make sense... Are you saying Glads is stronger than Odin or stronger than Hulk or Champion? You're right, there are plenty of people more powerful than Glads in every way imaginable. Thus, he choosing Glads, was nothing more than the writer choosing to use Glads for whatever his reaons. NOT and I repeat NOT because Glads was the most powerful person to choose from in the Marvel universe. I didn't answer because I thought this answer was clear already, but I obliged you anways buddy.
I agree, I don't think he is the most powerful in the universe either but this is Thanos that we are talking about. He chose EVERY being that dna was placed inside of his clones for a reason. Even though there was magic involved, Gladiator DNA did assist in making Thanos clone 4 times stronger than himself.
As for your universal comment... enjoy 🙂.
Originally posted by dmills
Question. Has Glads ever been beaten in a straight up physical fight? I mean without any weakness exploitation (radiation, psionic etc) or enchanted/exotic weaponry. Just straight up physically beaten?
NEVER... every fight he has been in, he usually is outright stomping them. That's my main point. That why I say the things I say.
If you want to use the Thor examples then yeah but that wasn't the real Gladiator and that fight has been voided from the forum.
So no, he has never been physicall dominated in a one on one fight.
Originally posted by dmills
Question. Has Glads ever been beaten in a straight up physical fight? I mean without any weakness exploitation (radiation, psionic etc) or enchanted/exotic weaponry. Just straight up physically beaten?
I don't get what you're going for here.
Originally posted by carver9Thor using Mjolnir doesn't count. At least not in terms of the question I was asking.
NEVER... every fight he has been in, he usually is outright stomping them. That's my main point. That why I say the things I say.If you want to use the Thor examples then yeah but that wasn't the real Gladiator and that fight has been voided from the forum.
So no, he has never been physicall dominated in a one on one fight.
Why doesn't beating his face in with Mjolnir not count? Is it that sudden revelation his vulnerable to magic or what have you?
Hulk beat him into the ground after redirecting his laser vision with his bare hands IIRC. Black Bolt was winning in a hand to hand encounter. Tyrant raped him. During Vulcan's reign as Emperor, an alien creature that was powered by it's race kicked his ass and broke his arm I think. Probably one or two more examples I'm forgetting.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he has never defeated anyone on Thanos level but he did fight someone above Thanos (Tyrant) and it took a chain of attacks to drop Glads. I'm just basing this off of power scaling. He has dropped Heralds pretty easily and he has also one punched High Heralds, dazing them.I'm literally looking at feats along with what characters think of him. Even Quasar was shocked at Glads phyisical powers.
I would give Thanos the win with all powers included but in a fist fight... Naah because again, the guy punch to d*** hard.
Now can you answer my question.
If by chain of attacks you mean 2 then sure, but i'm not sure how that qualifies as a good showing (being two shot) In fact, that very comic, makes my point not yours buddy. Tyrant had faced Glads and then met Thanos.. Immediatly Tyrant seized Thanos was a lot more powerful than any of the heralds he faced and commented on as much. So that really proves my point.
Also, I don't know how Thanos vs. Hulk and Glads fist fight haven't been determined yet. We know thanos is punches harder then either, we know thanos is more durable than either, and we know thanos is better at h2h than either. The only advantage Glads has is speed (hulk doesn't) yet speed isn't enough to save Glads. He can and will be hit by Thanos, and when he is, that will be lights out.
Originally posted by dmills
Thor using Mjolnir doesn't count. At least not in terms of the question I was asking.
Naah, it would count imo. Even if Thor used Mjlonir, that would be a physical lost for Glads. The thing about this is, the real Gladiator was assisting the Xmen with Phalanx during the time Thor was fighting that alternate version of Gladiator.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why doesn't beating his face in with Mjolnir not count? Is it that sudden revelation his vulnerable to magic or what have you?Hulk beat him into the ground after redirecting his laser vision with his bare hands IIRC. Black Bolt was winning in a hand to hand encounter. Tyrant raped him. During Vulcan's reign as Emperor, an alien creature that was powered by it's race kicked his ass and broke his arm I think. Probably one or two more examples I'm forgetting.
Rage, come on. You know why Glads lost that fight with Hulk. The writer pretty much made it plain and clear that Hulk was going to win due to him losing against Supes and Glads radiation weakness was out there.
Then you bring up Gladiator fighting an alien that was empowered by every being of his race...1000's if not millions of beings.
Not a good example imo.
