Look at the first scan.
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"Though the Destroyer be ready to hurl his bolt of death -- tis I who possess the power to tear the very fabric of eternity. Thus at my command let time stand still!"
Odin stopped time and sent the beam of amnesia/what-have-you at Loki, shutting down his mind for the moment, which in turn makes the Destroyer collapse as Loki's was mentally controlling the armor. In short:
-Odin stops time, preventing the Destroyer from using its beams.
-Odin projects a energy bolt designed to shut down Loki's mind from across the universe.
-The Destroyer Armor falls without its host.
Originally posted by biker
it doesnt say "Thus at my command let time stand still!" you just made that up on your own, odin only stated that he is going to release a beam that will make them forget and its all he did it was stated twice that he only released a beam which caused to forget nice try liar
I highlighted it for your reading enjoyment.
Originally posted by biker
he said he is going to stop time but where is it showed that he actually stopped time? spider-man also said he can break wolverines neck doesnt mean he could, show me where is it seen that he did stop time and not only stated that
Do you admit being wrong in calling me a liar and making that line up, then?
The Destroyer Armor was about to shoot Odin with its bolts, and Odin stopped time and sent a beam flying outwards to shut down Loki and render the Destroyer Armor inoperable in the second scan. It's pretty cut and dry. And I don't think you responded to the scans above that Rage posted where Odin turned back time as part of a test on Thor's part. And the instances where the Odinforce has stopped and turned back time.
You can believe that for whatever reason current/Fraction Odin can't control time if you want to take that statement as literal as possible, but you really can't believe Odin had never been capable of doing such when he has and the energy source which fuels him has done so.
I see what Delph's saying. I see what Phil's saying. I really, really don't see what ever the hell people are saying to try and argue that old-school Odin didn't outright stop time there.
If you want to support the case that Odin currently can't manipulate time, go ahead, clearly there's an argument to be made. But if you're outright ignoring a cut and dry feat with no argument other than 'NAH! That didn't happen!', you're doing it wrong.
Originally posted by Existere
I see what Delph's saying. I see what Phil's saying. I really, really don't see what ever the hell people are saying to try and argue that old-school Odin didn't outright stop time there.If you want to support the case that Odin currently can't manipulate time, go ahead, clearly there's an argument to be made. But if you're outright ignoring a cut and dry feat with no argument other than 'NAH! That didn't happen!', you're doing it wrong.
^^ This. Characters change, writers write characters differently, and if the OP wants a "can't manip. time Odin vs. whoever" in order to prove a point or whatever, then that's cool. Just don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending it's always been that way.
Example: Thor has absorbed AoE energy attacks where the hammer wasn't taking the brunt of the energy, he was simply encased or surrounded by it. Others feats contradict this, where he doesn't absorb stuff unless Mjolnir is specifically trained on the energy blast. Does the latter invalidate the former? Well, maybe, if repeated enough. But does it erase the former from existence? Of course not. As it happens, Thor has numerous feats of both types, so it's likely a PIS or CIS thing, not a changing power set. But it was handy for my point.
Because it's an unfortunate trend on the forums for people to use whatever latest feat to wipe out any other past feat if it suits their purpose. It's much harder to continue to see the character as a whole (outside of clear retcons or changes) and allow the evidence to lead us to the most likely (though not assured) conclusion. Because, honestly, Odin's quote in the OP is practically metaphoric. And there's lots of types of time control.
Originally posted by Existere
I see what Delph's saying. I see what Phil's saying. I really, really don't see what ever the hell people are saying to try and argue that old-school Odin didn't outright stop time there.If you want to support the case that Odin currently can't manipulate time, go ahead, clearly there's an argument to be made. But if you're outright ignoring a cut and dry feat with no argument other than 'NAH! That didn't happen!', you're doing it wrong.
Originally posted by Digi
^^ This. Characters change, writers write characters differently, and if the OP wants a "can't manip. time Odin vs. whoever" in order to prove a point or whatever, then that's cool. Just don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending it's always been that way.Example: Thor has absorbed AoE energy attacks where the hammer wasn't taking the brunt of the energy, he was simply encased or surrounded by it. Others feats contradict this, where he doesn't absorb stuff unless Mjolnir is specifically trained on the energy blast. Does the latter invalidate the former? Well, maybe, if repeated enough. But does it erase the former from existence? Of course not. As it happens, Thor has numerous feats of both types, so it's likely a PIS or CIS thing, not a changing power set. But it was handy for my point.
Because it's an unfortunate trend on the forums for people to use whatever latest feat to wipe out any other past feat if it suits their purpose. It's much harder to continue to see the character as a whole (outside of clear retcons or changes) and allow the evidence to lead us to the most likely (though not assured) conclusion. Because, honestly, Odin's quote in the OP is practically metaphoric. And there's lots of types of time control.
Nicely put.
Originally posted by DigiThis. And the fact that it's a single scan from a preview of a book that isn't even out yet.
^^ This. Characters change, writers write characters differently, and if the OP wants a "can't manip. time Odin vs. whoever" in order to prove a point or whatever, then that's cool. Just don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending it's always been that way.Example: Thor has absorbed AoE energy attacks where the hammer wasn't taking the brunt of the energy, he was simply encased or surrounded by it. Others feats contradict this, where he doesn't absorb stuff unless Mjolnir is specifically trained on the energy blast. Does the latter invalidate the former? Well, maybe, if repeated enough. But does it erase the former from existence? Of course not. As it happens, Thor has numerous feats of both types, so it's likely a PIS or CIS thing, not a changing power set. But it was handy for my point.
Because it's an unfortunate trend on the forums for people to use whatever latest feat to wipe out any other past feat if it suits their purpose. It's much harder to continue to see the character as a whole (outside of clear retcons or changes) and allow the evidence to lead us to the most likely (though not assured) conclusion. Because, honestly, Odin's quote in the OP is practically metaphoric. And there's lots of types of time control.
