Originally posted by SasuOna
My man you can believe want you want to believe, I'm not denying that he didn't display time manipulation abilities in those scans but if you think that those scans clearly without a doubt show him stopping time across all creation then you are biased and wrong.
Those scans depicted Odin stopping time. There is no ambiguity to it. It was made specifically clear what happened.
Whether Odin time stop worked across all creation however is not something I claimed and it's not something I can answer. The area of effect for Odin's time stopping has never been made clear, it's not usually done so with such tactics from what I can tell. I have no doubt that at the very least, the powers noticeably superior to Odin were unaffected.
Originally posted by SasuOna
It wouldn't have mattered if he had just stopped Loki. Hes the one controlling the Destroyer. He stops Loki and he would have ended the conflict. There was a need for him to first stop the destroyer with time manip(as its shown on panel) if he could just stop all of creation including Loki.
The Destroyer was the primary threat. To stop the Destroyer, Odin needed to stop Loki. To stop Loki, Odin needed time and so he simply halted the passage of it. Previous to Balder's arrival Odin was not aware where Loki was residing/hiding.
It's all very simple.
Originally posted by SasuOna
thats your business
This just happens to be one of the Odin feats that are open to scrutiny. I'm sure he has others that aren't as ambiguous.
Odin told us what he was doing.
Okay now were getting somewhere, note I was just arguing the notion that Odin froze all time or at least up to the many light years where it would have needed to reach Loki.
Yeah Balder told him Loki's exact location so his beam of forgetfulness could reach him. He wouldn't need to know those things if he could just stop time and Loki by proxy and the Destroyer.
He stopped the destroyer with his time manip and then used Balder's info to divine where Loki's location was which is when he then used the beam of forgetfulness. That should be indicative of the fact that Loki was out of his range right there.
Personally I think it wouldn't have mattered who he stopped first since the threats are both tied together but the fact that there was an order to who he dealt with and by what means that basically kills your argument.
Originally posted by SasuOna
Okay now were getting somewhere, note I was just arguing the notion that Odin froze all time or at least up to the many light years where it would have needed to reach Loki.Yeah Balder told him Loki's exact location so his beam of forgetfulness could reach him. He wouldn't need to know those things if he could just stop time and Loki by proxy.
He stopped the destroyer with his time manip and then used Balder's info to divine where Loki's location was which is when he then used the beam of forgetfulness. That should be indicative of the fact that Loki was out of his range right there.
Personally I think it wouldn't have mattered who he stopped first since the threats are both tied together but the fact that there was an order to who he dealt with and by what means that basically kills your argument.
There are obviously super powers out there who would not be affected by someone on Odin's level. That much goes without saying.
You're argument is inherently flawed.
Stopping time does not get rid of the threat. Loki and the Destroyer would still be there unless Odin did something to permanently remove the danger. Which he did in the form of the beam of forgetfulness.
You're argument that Loki was out of range simply because Odin used a follow up method is a leap in logic.
Originally posted by basiliskHe also said "Stand back, my son! I have an awesome feat to perform!" in a metatextual conversation with future fanboys.
In Journey into Mystery #104 Odin waved his hand and stopped "the very fabric of time itself" then transported the entire human race to another dimension and held them in stasis. Then with another wave of his hand he put it all back. Awesome.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I certainly do. I have an exceptionally firm grasp of the English language, and the ability to interpret context.I can also sense when someone is cherry picking a phrase to further an agenda.
I'm not reading that scan as Odin saying he doesn't have time manipulation powers (which would be refuted by actual evidence, on panel, to the contrary of this 'statement'😉. I'm reading it in the statements full context:
Odin's essentually standing up on a pulpit warning the Asgardian people of an imminent threat about to befall them, and says, in flowery speech, that even with all his power he is unable to provide the Asgardians more time to prepare for this coming calamity, so they need to get ready for the battle to come.
I may not debate as often as I did back in the old days but don't get it twisted, I read enough of the threads to know what you're about Phil, and I can bring it if necessary.
It's better to quit while you're ahead.
😆 well said, delph.
on a seperate note, it's cute how my butt is still on your mind sheriff. a little disturbing, and a lot perverted, but cute. course, why you think i'd care what one current writer thinks is, as usual, beyond me. clearly he could control time in the past. if his new incarnation ultimately proves to be unable to do so, welllllll........ so? maybe this new one can't shake the multiverse either. or destroy galaxies. i do like the way you once again broke things down into dc people and marvel people though. way to push that transparent little agenda with this bait thread and perpetuate precisely the attitude the forum DOESN'T need. 👆 and it might take a while, but, after many tears, and much counselling, i feel safe in saying that the, er, 'marvel side' will probably be all right...... 🙂
Originally posted by leonidasThe opposite, really. I'm not the one coming into threads and going "ignore him" or "👆" to anybody I'm having a discussion with, a short while after I mad you weep in others, so I tend to think it's something personal.
on a seperate note, it's cute how my butt is still on your mind sheriff.
But maybe I'm seeing different, and we really have opposite opinions. On everything. 🙂