Originally posted by inimalist
yes, but if we had disrespected the body, even moderates in the greater middle east, north africa and south asia would be quite upset.I agree, maybe not prayer and all the ceremonies (though, if it cost nothing, who cares), but there is no reason to try and turn this into another Quran burning where people can become outraged over American insensitivities.
It's a slippery slope, granted, but I think it's a bit much to honor his corpse in such a way that is totally undeserving of him. I'm not saying we stick a grenade in his mouth and mutilate the corpse, but yeah, all the ceremonies and prayers for this disease of humanity is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Robtard
Recording someone you just killed isn't something everyone does.
Its not uncommon for some soldiers to though, I remember this documentary I watched where this soldier had hundreds of grisly images on his laptop at home. I think it was explained as his way of coping or accepting what he went through out there.
Originally posted by batdude123
It's a slippery slope, granted, but I think it's a bit much to honor his corpse in such a way that is totally undeserving of him. I'm not saying we stick a grenade in his mouth and mutilate the corpse, but yeah, all the ceremonies and prayers for this disease of humanity is ridiculous.
meh, my concern would be tax dollars, as if people went out of their way to spend the money of 9-11 victims to give him a "ritualistic Muslim burial", ya, I would agree.
If the people on the boat just decided to do it, or if the military wanted to honour their adversary, or any of that stuff, it doesn't really matter to me. I don't believe in heaven or hell, so I really dont think the burial matters all that much, I just think it would be idiotic if American taxpayers were going out of their way to be respectful to him.
Us being the "good guys" I think means we don't parade his head around on a pole, not that we become his best buds or anything like that 🙂
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Its not uncommon for some soldiers to though, I remember this documentary I watched where this soldier had hundreds of grisly images on his laptop at home. I think it was explained as his way of coping or accepting what he went through out there.
was this man part of an exclusive, highly trained military body that would deal with the most sensitive missions the US has?
I suspect the expectations of the people involved in this operation were much higher than those of normal soldiers, to the point that I could see these people being reprimanded were they do have recorded any of it on their phones.
Its not just "joe-redneck" they send into an allied country to do something like this
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Its not uncommon for some soldiers to though, I remember this documentary I watched where this soldier had hundreds of grisly images on his laptop at home. I think it was explained as his way of coping or accepting what he went through out there.
Presumably the people who carried out this operation weren't random jar heads, but an elite counter terrorism unit held up to much higher standards...
I will admit, I had suspected Bin Laden was dead for a few years, mostly due to his insignificance on the Global Jihadi scene, but ya, interesting analysis by Robert Fisk
Originally posted by inimalist
was this man part of an exclusive, highly trained military body that would deal with the most sensitive missions the US has?I suspect the expectations of the people involved in this operation were much higher than those of normal soldiers, to the point that I could see these people being reprimanded were they do have recorded any of it on their phones.
Its not just "joe-redneck" they send into an allied country to do something like this
Well if he was, I very much doubt the documentary would reveal that, for security reasons.
And I don't really know how you can pour scorn on a high-level operative releasing details about operations after all the furore that Wikileaks caused. Thousands of high-level operations were revealed and exposed, not to mention deep-cover informants and terrible incidents the goverment obviously didn't want to see the light of day.
errrrgh, something is up with the edit function, here is my post:
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well if he was, I very much doubt the documentary would reveal that, for security reasons.
so, in light of any contrary evidence, and in line with overwhelming statistical probability, I'm going to say he was probably a typical soldier
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
And I don't really know how you can pour scorn on a high-level operative releasing details about operations after all the furore that Wikileaks caused. Thousands of high-level operations were revealed and exposed, not to mention deep-cover informants and terrible incidents the goverment obviously didn't want to see the light of day.
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nono, the point was, people in elite groups like this are held to a higher standard of professionalism. I'm almost positive there would have been disciplinary measures if someone had dropped their role to start snapping pics of the body.
I think you are very wrong about several of those Wikileaks claims too, but there is a better thread for that if you want to get into it. The fact that the leaks were supposed to have come from a PFC rather than elite counter-terrorist operative actually supports my point though.
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Why was bin Laden buried at sea?
U.S. likely chose sea burial to stop followers from creating a shrineThe news that Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea is likely to be a talking point in the coming weeks and months. U.S. officials most likely chose a sea burial in order to prevent followers from creating a shrine at the site of the dead terrorist leader's remains, but a sea burial was probably not the only, or even the first, option explored; CBS is now reporting that Saudi Arabia, bin Laden's birth country, refused to take his body.
A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. authorities "ensur[ed]" the body was "handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition."
According to Islamic custom, a body should be buried within 24 hours of death. It is normally "obligatory" to bury the body in the ground, but in some situations it is also acceptable to bury it at sea -- for example, "if it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs."
Some radical Muslims have already objected to the method of burial, with one cleric telling AP: "The Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don't think this is in the interest of the U.S. administration."
Originally posted by Bluesteel
(Reuters) – The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters. “This was a kill operation,” the official said, making clear there was no desire to try to capture bin Laden alive in Pakistan.
Brennan also said that the U.S. team that killed Bin Laden Sunday would have taken him in alive if given the chance. “If we had the opportunity to take him alive, we would have done that,” he said.Those comments are slightly at odds with an earlier report that quotes a national security official calling the operation a "kill mission."
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/05/02/bin_laden_s_wife_did_osama_use_her_as_a_shield_.html
Reuters (via The Slatest) says the commandos were given orders for a "kill operation" in which Bin Laden would have been taken alive only if he clearly surrendered.