Originally posted by truejedi
not in sabers with kenobi, considering how everyone else gets crushed by grievous.
Wait, wut?
Are we watching the same show or are you being facetious? The good general has been tremendously pussified in the Lucas-controlled cartoon. Fisto outdueled him on Vassek, Eeth Koth held his own against General Grievous and his MagnaGuards, Adi Gallia outdueled him in the attempt to rescue Koth, etc.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
Kit Fisto's T-canon showings put him on par with Obi-Wan and the others. If the show succeeds in anything, it's putting the myth to rest that Obi-Wan and Anakin are necessarily the de facto Knights below Mace and Yoda in skill and ability. There are plenty of Jedi on par with them.
Let me check.
Kit Fisto, when confronted with Grievous and three or four Magna Guards, had to flee from the General. Obi-Wan, even during the Clone Wars series, managed to defeat Grievous in a similar situation. The casuality of Anakin and Kenobi dealing with the Magna Guards in RotS also points to them being more competent swordsmen than the likes of Fisto.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Let me check.
Kit Fisto, when confronted with Grievous and three or four Magna Guards, had to flee from the General. Obi-Wan, even during the Clone Wars series, managed to defeat Grievous in a similar situation. The casuality of Anakin and Kenobi dealing with the Magna Guards in RotS also points to them being more competent swordsmen than the likes of Fisto.
Becaue he did flee doesn't mean he had to flee.
Ashoka had little trouble in dealing with a group of magna guards as well; does that indicate that she too is more competent than Fisto?
because he fled the general, as borborad said, and he did it not long after telling grievous that he was going to bring him to justice, and after grievous killed his padawan. fleeing because he wanted to in that situation would be really tough to explain later...
also, Mace does describe Kenobi as the best possible option to defeat Grievous.
Originally posted by truejedi
because he fled the general, as borborad said, and he did it not long after telling grievous that he was going to bring him to justice, and after grievous killed his padawan. fleeing because he wanted to in that situation would be really tough to explain later...also, Mace does describe Kenobi as the best possible option to defeat Grievous.
First, Mace's opinion is exactly that - his opinion.
Second, Kenobi being the best option to defeat Grievous (if true) doesn't mean he is more competent than Fisto, or anyone else for that mater. That statement doesn't explicitly mean what you're trying to make it out to mean.
Third, back on the subject of Kenobi being the best option to defeat GG; yeah, I don't think Kenobi would be a better fit than, say, master YODA. Just sayin'.
The situation isn't comparable to what Fisto endured. While Obi-Wan was certainly surrounded by a far more impressive force than was Fisto, they weren't actively aiding the general during their duel. In Fisto's case, he was dealing with MagnaGuards while trying to duel Grievous at the same time. Grievous lost a few hands in the encounter, but then Fisto opted to flee.
Eeth Koth was defeated by the general in Grievous Intrigue after being surrounded by MagnaGuards during their duel. Obi-Wan was defeated after destroying his entourage of commando droids, IIRC, in the same episode. Adi Gallia pursued the general and had the upper hand until Grievous managed to escape.
tj
well, i've offered you a few evidences, which you reject... so i guess i could just go with:ROTS kenobi is a high end jedi master. Perhaps THE master of Soresu. What does Fisto have that puts him at that same level?
I don't think he's just casually rejecting them. Windu's opinion of Kenobi extends him some credibility, absolutely, but JT brings up a point: Does Windu's opinion of Kenobi relative to Grievous mean that he's a better fighter than Yoda? I wouldn't think so.
Fisto doesn't have the span of feats to give him an exact placement relative to Kenobi, but I'd say he performed just as well against General Grievous as Obi-Wan did, suggesting that Kenobi isn't considerably better.
Originally posted by truejedi
despite the fact that Fisto ran away and Kenobi gave chase? I would say that is an opposite in level of performance.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
The situation isn't comparable to what Fisto endured. While Obi-Wan was certainly surrounded by a far more impressive force than was Fisto, they weren't actively aiding the general during their duel. In Fisto's case, he was dealing with MagnaGuards while trying to duel Grievous at the same time. Grievous lost a few hands in the encounter, but then Fisto opted to flee.
tj
despite the fact that Fisto ran away and Kenobi gave chase? I would say that is an opposite in level of performance.
You're neglecting two facts, though, tj. (1) Unlike the scenario with Fisto, General Grievous was not actively calling on aid during his duel with Kenobi. (2) Unlike the scenario with Fisto, Utapau was being invaded by the Republic Navy -- Grievous not only fled Kenobi, but he tried to flee the planet.