Did you know underage people get in trouble for that in the US?
Originally posted by inimalistMy life is that way because I made it that way, just like anybody else can. Not because of "luck" or something falling into my lap.
*********agreed. it would also be good if a type of voluntary membership could be worked out, even if it was an opt out type thing
Originally posted by Bardock42True there are some companies who do that. My problem is the entitlement aspect. Unions bleeding money from business they never started and feeling like they deserve it and complaining that jobs are going elsewhere. They are welcome to do that, but the business owner is welcome to go somewhere else for labor.
So do companies, and either is just as bad and should be fought.
Unions often don't even use the money for the people at the bottom of the union but the top. It ends up with less quality, more money wasted, and then you can't fire those people.
Again, does that mean all Unions do that? Of course not, many are too small too. But the big ones do.
Originally posted by Daemon SeedWhat I mean is if a 15 year old girl sends their 15 year old boyfriend a pic of themselves naked, they will get in trouble for possessing and distributing child porn. They become sex offenders and it sticks with them.
Yes I do,they do in the UK as well and rightly so.
That's not good at all.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
What I mean is if a 15 year old girl sends their 15 year old boyfriend a pic of themselves naked, they will get in trouble for possessing and distributing child porn. They become sex offenders and it sticks with them.That's not good at all.
No that's not good, it's not good at all.
Originally posted by inimalistI have no need for your congratulations. I wake up and love the life I chose and that's the best thing for me.
this doesn't change my response at alldo you want further congradulations for never taking a job that might put you in a vulnerable situation, such as a Grad student whose advisor also is the one who pays them? would you like accalades for never living paycheque to paycheque?
but no, I suppose you are right, the things that worked for you will work for everyone because there is nobody whose situation puts them at the mercy of the people they work for.
I mean, look at me. Sure, it only took 4-5 years of busting my ass to get into grad school, sure, I put in 40 hour weeks so that I can barely afford my rent and bills, sure, I've already gone through an applications process that costs hundreds of dollars and moved half way across the country to achieve my goals, but you are sooooo ****ing right. You are soooo right. Any problem, I can just go to the next university and be a neuroscientist. soooo right, I'm glad you pointed this out to me. I'm not dependant on my job to accomplish my dreams or to continue living, I can just tell my advisor to shove it when he wants me to work hours I'm not being paid for (he doesn't, but many students at my school are in this position). Jeez, thank you, really, thank you, I feel so free now, the world is my oyster. I just have to move back home and not want to be a scientist, then I can find a way to live where I don't have to rely on some type of collective barganing. thank you thank you thank you.
seriously, grow up
No, people will have to find what works for them, but we all have a choice, this entitlement mentality is what's causing so many problems.
Who told you to go to that school? To accept that job? Those hours? That money? People have been trained to rely on a job, it doesn't mean that is the only way. I mean look at me. Busting my ass off, far harder than an employee has to bust theirs. Working on the site and at home until I had the freedom. Going to school, working another job, putting up with crap there, blah blah blah. I grew up in one of the poorest areas in the country with nothing, and I've seen both sides so the pity story doesn't work with me. If a person wants something, they'll get it. A degree guarantees nothing, and nor does anything else.
A person can negotiate their pay, or they can leave. Work harder, smarter, invest, etc. There are some who chose to do that, even at a young age, most do not. They accept the life that most leave and are trapped into the cycle of work/bills until they die. I knew that wasn't the life I wanted, so I worked harder earlier and used more leverage to get where I am now.
Seriously, learn something new, shame you have to rely on insulting people because they don't agree with your point. And I'm the one that needs to grow up? Please.
Originally posted by inimalistHonestly the union thing should be directed to another thread.
so if my university wants me to work hours I'm not paid for, I should drop outits not worth debating you if you don't realize how insane that sounds
I'll put it this way. One can either discuss the mistreatment with the necessary parties or leave. Now if the situation was something extreme or illegal, then you should take further action. But the general job complaints don't entitle someone to something.
Is it illegal for them to have you work for free, without any type of school "credit" or recommendations?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Honestly the union thing should be directed to another thread.I'll put it this way. 1 can either talk about the mistreatment or leave. Now if the situation was something extreme or illegal, then you should take further action. But the general job complaints don't entitle someone to something.
Is it illegal for them to have you work for free, without any type of school "credit" or recommendations?
Sadly that's a lot of Professional big P jobs. In the U.K. the public sector which i'm in makes me take work home beyond what I should all the time.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have no need for your congratulations. I wake up and love the life I chose and that's the best thing for me.No, people will have to find what works for them, but we all have a choice, this entitlement mentality is what's causing so many problems.
Who told you to go to that school? To accept that job? Those hours? That money? People have been trained to rely on a job, it doesn't mean that is the only way. I mean look at me. Busting my ass off, far harder than an employee has to bust theirs. Working on the site and at home until I had the freedom. Going to school, working another job, putting up with crap there, blah blah blah. I grew up in one of the poorest areas in the country with nothing, and I've seen both sides so the pity story doesn't work with me. If a person wants something, they'll get it. A degree guarantees nothing, and nor does anything else.
A person can negotiate their pay, or they can leave. Work harder, smarter, invest, etc. There are some who chose to do that, even at a young age, most do not. They accept the life that most leave and are trapped into the cycle of work/bills until they die. I knew that wasn't the life I wanted, so I worked harder earlier and used more leverage to get where I am now.
Seriously, learn something new, shame you have to rely on insulting people because they don't agree with your point. And I'm the one that needs to grow up? Please.
Not going to insult you here, you know you're good with me CM, but I'm with inamilist here in terms of the argument. Presuming that everyone has all kinds of feasible options, or that hard work alone solves all job-related issues, or that everyone has flexibility in their life situation to simply do exactly what they want, is frankly naive at best.
You're a DIY case that is successful, and good for you. But it isn't that way for everyone, and that includes those who worked just as hard, are as smart or smarter, and have not stayed in the same track the entire time. Your approach also doesn't count for mitigating circumstances outside a person's control in their life, like family situation. Nor does it account for those who really DON'T know another way of doing things (not all of our life experiences lead to the same methods of thinking), but have applied themselves all the same, or have parents to feed, families to support, etc. etc.
Thousands upon thousands of people are in such circumstances, and many of them would either laugh at you or punch you in the face if you told them these words. I'm not among them, I can't bring myself to be terribly upset about opinions more often than not and can understand your point even while disagreeing with it. But it's easy to bristle at such words as "entitlement" when describing people scrapping for an existence, or "if someone wants something, they'll get it" when we're talking about a system of finite resources where there will be those without anything despite any amount of hard work, and those with a lot despite having done relatively little.
Your independence is cool, but it need not be anti-union. Sure, unions can be corrupt. Any controlling body can. But I really do see more potential for corruption on the side of businesses when there isn't the union "check" to keep it in place. Because really, if you want to get rid of people being "wage slaves" (not your words, but the gist is there), bring back unions.
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So, porn? Honestly, this is real discussion, so I don't have an issue with it. Sorry for hijacking the thread though, to the thread starter.