Originally posted by Juntai
It isn't far fetched of one in either direction though, regardless of who you consider more powerful. Both treat top tiers, and heralders as nuisances and insects.Except for Superman, of course. 😉
So both Thanos and DS treat top tiers and heralds like nuisances and insects... Yet, in the other thread you give Superman the win.... Did superman get a bump up to Skyfather/Trans level that I'm not aware of?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So both Thanos and DS treat top tiers and heralds like nuisances and insects... Yet, in the other thread you give Superman the win.... Did superman get a bump up to Skyfather/Trans level that I'm not aware of?
Originally posted by Juntai
Except for Superman, of course. 😉
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSuperman pretends he's a top tier/herald leveler- when shit hits the fan though, and it's beyond ALL of his peers. They'll all let you know, quite clearly, that . . . it's a job for Superman. He's shown us against Darkseid a number of times. Meanwhile most top tiers can't even hang with the Furies, who are also nuisances and insects compared to Darkseid.
So both Thanos and DS treat top tiers and heralds like nuisances and insects... Yet, in the other thread you give Superman the win.... Did superman get a bump up to Skyfather/Trans level that I'm not aware of?
Re: Who would give Thanos the toughest fight?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Who would give Thanos the hardest, toughest, fight?1) Thor in full Warriors Madness, equipped with his Belt of Strength and his Asgardian Battle Armor...
2) Cyborg Superman; battle takes place on Planet Cybertron (Henshaw can use the available tech, but cant possess the planet and go into "Unicron" mode however)
3) Sundipped Superman (24 hr dip before the fight starts)...
4) Hunter/Prey Doomsday with Nimrod providing support via his scanning ability and weakness exploitation...
Battles last until one side has been KO'ed or killed; no BFR...
Number 1 easily. WM Thor was giving Thanos a very good fight. Does he have Power Gem? If not the belt of strength wont make up for it, but it will help some.
Edit: #4 kills him dead
While I understand the arguments personally I'll go with number two.
Cyborg superman has controlled all of the manhunters before... So decepticon or autobot I see them all coming under his control... Each one with strength displays that put them in high meta to at worse low herald range. Tossing tanks and aircraft around... Thanos would not be dealing with one brick... But a nearly endless stream of them... Much less all the regular base weaponry on the planet ...so after Thanos depletes his energy reserves dealing with all the cannon fodder THEN he'd have to deal with a fresh cyborg superman?
That for me is the toughest.
Oh and it's not the drax force to me as it would be empowered by KRONOS who is basically the god of the eternals
@rotiart
I honestly do think Nimrod could replicate the "Drax Force" as that force is simply a field of enegy surrounding Drax that causes Thanos to lose control of structure when Drax comes too close to him...
Energy of course (regardless of the type) travels as a wavelength varing somewhere from very high to very low; after scanning Thanos, it should be trival for Nimrod to pin down the exact frequency that makes Thanos weak...
@rotiart
Also, to add to your point about Cyborg Superman, Thanos couldnt even use his tech to aid him as Henshaw would simply seize control of it (nor could Thanos mindrape any of his opponents)...
So Thanos would have to tank everything thrown at him, which basically would be Cyberton and everything on and in it...
That would make for an incredible difficult encounter for the Mad Titan...
hrm. 24hr sundip would be pretty ridiculous for kal...... wm thor has only been shown a couple times but afaik he hasn't even been HURT while in that state. not sure the belt would mean anything though as i don't see it doubling his wm strength..... the cybertron thing is too hard to figure. he'd be like, REALLY big but not sure what else. 😬
hp with nimrod?? not sure what that would do. CURRENT dd would be tough enough.
guess ALL would be tough (all could win, imo) but 24hr sundip would give kal a LOT more power. feat-wise regular supes already has thanos beat in most areas. add all that additional power....
Originally posted by leonidas
hrm. 24hr sundip would be pretty ridiculous for kal...... wm thor has only been shown a couple times but afaik he hasn't even been HURT while in that state. not sure the belt would mean anything though as i don't see it doubling his wm strength..... the cybertron thing is too hard to figure. he'd be like, REALLY big but not sure what else. 😬hp with nimrod?? not sure what that would do. CURRENT dd would be tough enough.
With the Cybertron/Henshaw senario, Henshaw wouldnt go into "Unicron" mode, but instead would take control of all the tech on the planet...thus all autobots, decepticons, weapons, planetary defenses, ect, ect...and fight Thanos with those.
And after all of that had run its course (in the very very unlikely event Thanos gets this far), Henshaw would show up last, at full strength, with plenty of tech still laying around to be used to reconstruct himself (or assimilate as weaponry) if need be...
With senario 4; HP Doomsday+Nimrod, Nimrod is there to reduce Thanos's durability via weakness explotation...
Thanos possesses tremendous damage soak, but would he be able to stand up to HP Doomsday while being dramatically weakened by Nimrod?
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman pretends he's a top tier/herald leveler- when shit hits the fan though, and it's beyond ALL of his peers. They'll all let you know, quite clearly, that . . . it's a job for Superman. He's shown us against Darkseid a number of times. Meanwhile most top tiers can't even hang with the Furies, who are also nuisances and insects compared to Darkseid.
👆 Great post, I posted something similar a couple of days ago in the superman forum.
Re: Who would give Thanos the toughest fight?
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Who would give Thanos the hardest, toughest, fight?1) Thor in full Warriors Madness, equipped with his Belt of Strength and his Asgardian Battle Armor...
2) Cyborg Superman; battle takes place on Planet Cybertron (Henshaw can use the available tech, but cant possess the planet and go into "Unicron" mode however)
3) Sundipped Superman (24 hr dip before the fight starts)...
4) Hunter/Prey Doomsday with Nimrod providing support via his scanning ability and weakness exploitation...
Battles last until one side has been KO'ed or killed; no BFR...
3 and 4 rapes him. I don't know much about Cyborg Superman.
If WM Thor is 20x stronger with Asgardian Battle Armor then he rapes Thanos as well.
The toughest battle would then have to be defined as the one it takes the longest to beat him (and not quickest).
Possibly 2) since I don't know Cyborg Superman. If not then 1).
All other fights have Thanos either killed or koed within mere moments.
Originally posted by Juntaibut thats crap. all top tiers have feats above their weight class. he really inst special among them powerwise. everyone holds back in comcis and goes that extra mile when the push becomes shove. so what?
Superman pretends he's a top tier/herald leveler- when shit hits the fan though, and it's beyond ALL of his peers. They'll all let you know, quite clearly, that . . . it's a job for Superman. He's shown us against Darkseid a number of times. Meanwhile most top tiers can't even hang with the Furies, who are also nuisances and insects compared to Darkseid.
^ He absolutely is. Personally, I've never seen any other supposed 'herald-level character' consistently hang with as many top-tiers as Superman has ('consistently' being the key word.).
One of many examples can be seen during OWAW. We saw a single Imperiex Probe own the collective JLA/Zod-Squad/Almeracians/etc. like they were weak feebs. After Superman let loose, he was literally one-shotting several of them as though THEY were nothing.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ He absolutely is. Personally, I've never seen any other supposed 'herald-level character' consistently hang with as many top-tiers as Superman has ('consistently' being the key word.).One of many examples can be seen during OWAW. We saw a single Imperiex Probe own the collective JLA/Zod-Squad/Almeracians/etc. like they were weak feebs. After Superman let loose, he was literally one-shotting several of them as though THEY were nothing.
Of course I realize that SM stepped up his game to do what he did, but that wasnt all, he had had previous contact with them so knew how to fight them better (hypolita soloed a probe too through her competence alone), but more importantly, I dont think any of the other heralds that struggled against the probes would be incapable of going that extra-mile if they cut loose like him at that moment
and no he really isnt absolutely above the rest of the high herald in terms of power, at all, and IMO, in terms of holding back either.
Originally posted by 753
Of course I realize that SM stepped up his game to do what he did, but that wasnt all, he had had previous contact with them so knew how to fight them better (hypolita soloed a probe too through her competence alone), but more importantly, I dont think any of the other heralds that struggled against the probes would be incapable of going that extra-mile if they cut loose like him at that momentand no he really isnt absolutely above the rest of the high herald in terms of power, at all, and IMO, in terms of holding back either.
Superman's durability alone was leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else during OWAW. The man was a tank once he got serious, something Hyppolita couldn't manage. He was blatantly shown to be the only Earth hero that could take on Imperiex's army and actually seem superior imo.
I honestly agree with galan. the gulf in power between his average and his all out is usually more expansive than that of any other herald.
Holding back is more routed in Superman's character than any other herald imo. In that tier, the closest runner up would be the Odinson. Of course, they aren't the only big names that have scenes where they cut loose and step it up, but those two have illustrated the biggest leaps in power imho. At least they have more of such scenes.
OWAW was clear. Superman > Heralds. It was his Blood and Thunder, World War etc. No real way debate that as it was made really obvious. Jeph Loeb wrote an unusually powerful and combat formidable Superman.