A few things need to be cleared here.
Starfire absorbs solar energy, and there is a clear distinction in both marvel and dc between cosmic energy and that of a sun. Semantics, but it can't be ignored.
However there is also the issue of people saying Starfire's strength amps with her rage, which has not ever really been depicted in a comic. You could possibly say she does more damage when she's mad, but narration has never mentioned such a power boost and counterarguments can just as easily say that she always fights angry anyway because Tamaranians are/were an emotional people.
I, personally, believe Starfire is wll into the mid 100+ class and find little substance to refute the claim. She's punched holes through skyscraper sized skeleton monsters, has a h2h record on pre-resurrection Donna Troy (who wasn't that far behind Wonder Woman, herself), she's taken a direct blow from the Astro Force, she withstood the brunt of a meteor storm in space, she defeated two Wonder Woman clones/apparitions on separate occasions, and she tore through the enchantments of the Greek gods with her bare hands. I mean, even in the beginning of Robinson's run he took the time to emphasize her strength by making Donna Troy ask Mon-El to help restrain her because she was too strong. She's been the Titan heavyweight brawler for decades; Superboy and Wonder Girl were afraid to challenge her in combat.
As for Havok draining her, it's highly improbable. Unlike Hulk, she has an active control over the flow of energy through her body. She can actively absorb radiation, energy blasts, and she's shown some resistance to electricity in classic Teen Titan trades. As I mentioned, she's done to an entire army of Kryptonians what Havoc did to Hulk.
Her own starbolts aren't exactly weak either, not that either character's energy attacks really matter here. She's torn down mountains, one shotted Braniac, used them as wedges to fly straight through cruise ships, destroyed asteroids, etc.
Originally posted by YoungGunna
Your using ABC logic just because he can absorb energy from Hulk has nothing to do with her two different powersets two different universes. When angered, Starfire can go into a berserker state, granting her even greater strength, invulnerability, and immunity to many forms of damage.So I doubt his energy would would effect her and I don't see him matching up physically with her.That same omi directional attack you say Havok can do she can do also.The Hulk fight is irrelevant the Vulcan fight would fit better for this fight because they were two energy manipulators.
Again SF physical prowess is not going to be much of an issue due to the omni-directional shield top this off with his ability to multitask; shield and energy absorption applied at the same time which means she is not only exerting herself but her energy is also being absorb quit fast as showed on the scan posted, wither its an energy discharge directed at him or within a biological shell it makes no diff. Havok can absorb it.. She is going to exhaust herself rather easy while Havok only gets stronger with her as the energy source..
Originally posted by Konton
A few things need to be cleared here.Starfire absorbs solar energy, and there is a clear distinction in both marvel and dc between cosmic energy and that of a sun. Semantics, but it can't be ignored.
As for Havok draining her, it's highly improbable. Unlike Hulk, she has an active control over the flow of energy through her body. She can actively absorb radiation, energy blasts, and she's shown some resistance to electricity in classic Teen Titan trades. As I mentioned, she's done to an entire army of Kryptonians what Havoc did to Hulk.
So yeah its within him to directly drained her of her own energies..
I've posted two scans in there 1 with the Hulk and the other With a high end energy manipulator that gave Rachel a run for her money and is also a clear planet destroyer which Havok pretty much completely drained.. This was to show that Havok can drain SF of her energy even if she herself is an energy manipulator unless of course you can prove that she is a much better energy manipulator than him..
You sure it was SF? or was it maxima? 😖hifty: Scann..
Originally posted by long pig
Big, big difference between Havock's blast and DS's staff. It shoots an unknown type of energy that literally drains and weakens whoever it hits as well as usually being a MASSIVELY powerful concussion blast like Cyclops. It's got tons of weirdness that only applies to his staff.
i agree that sf is cl100. i just don't think that for this fight it will matter. her strength will be negated by his shields and range. she's left with blasting him (which won't work because of shields) or trying to drain him. from what i've seen posted, i still believe havoc to be the better energy manipulator of the 2 and that's where i see him winning it. i would agree it COULD go her way. he might try to battle here h2h and lose some, but i'd give him the majority out of 10. maybe 6-7/10.
So, Havock is way more powerful than ever thought? I seriously underestimated him. Same with Cap America. Now I know. I must change my vote to Havock. As for DS putting SF with a bullet. Two things: I was simply saying DS's staff isn't the same as Havocks blasts. 2: And heHAS one shotted SF with his staff before. That is all.
Originally posted by long pig
So, Havock is way more powerful than ever thought? I seriously underestimated him. Same with Cap America. Now I know. I must change my vote to Havock. As for DS putting SF with a bullet. Two things: I was simply saying DS's staff isn't the same as Havocks blasts. 2: And heHAS one shotted SF with his staff before. That is all.
Don't use Deathstroke as a barometer for the capabilities of any character above street level. It doesn't translate.
He shot Starfire with a bullet in one of his very first appearances; he was written to be hyped for up and coming stories.
It's like bringing up DS in a Flash or Wonder Woman thread. Stupid.
I certainly wouldn't argue that Starfire is a better energy manipulator, I'm just saying she has enough control over solar energy to keep herself from being drained and to negate a majority of his offensive blasts. It just amps her the same way it would amp him.
I agree with Pr, her overall strength and speed make for a difficult target to just try and sap. She's not a character that you could call PIS on straight forum blitzing because that's her favorite thing to do even with CIS on.
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so I see, however nothing U've said here:
I, personally, believe Starfire is wll into the mid 100+ class and find little substance to refute the claim. She's punched holes through skyscraper sized skeleton monsters, has a h2h record on pre-resurrection Donna Troy (who wasn't that far behind Wonder Woman, herself), she's taken a direct blow from the Astro Force, she withstood the brunt of a meteor storm in space, she defeated two Wonder Woman clones/apparitions on separate occasions, and she tore through the enchantments of the Greek gods with her bare hands. I mean, even in the beginning of Robinson's run he took the time to emphasize her strength by making Donna Troy ask Mon-El to help restrain her because she was too strong. She's been the Titan heavyweight brawler for decades; Superboy and Wonder Girl were afraid to challenge her in combat.
..........point to her being DEFINITIVELY a cl100 person. thats just yur interpretation (cuz she could be cl80 and still pull that off really.) and I give kudos to U for stating that as a *belief*, not as a fact, since there arent any.
yur belief isnt any more valid than mine, nor is it *supported* by DC canon, since theres nothing that Im aware of, in any book, that says "to survive this you must be........", but if U know of something wheres its stated directly then plz share. Im just going on my feelings on the subject here, same as U are.
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You think Ms. Marvel (typically depicted as a 70-80 class) has the strength to go h2h with classic Donna Troy?
I don't think an 80 class bruiser could lock arms with Wonder Woman. Not saying Starfire is strong enough to hurt her significantly, but I don't think anything less than a 100+ class could push her back/make her fight. You could argue that it's Starfire's skill and Wondy's holding back that made it something to look at, but Wonder was furious and, while Starfire was able to trounce Themyschera's warriors in h2h Pre-Crisis and outfight Donna 2/3 times in combat, Wonder Woman has displayed more combat finess and much more frequently.
How do you refute Donna being unable tor estrain her in the recent JLA run? Mon-El had to come in and assist, and even with the two of them (both easily 100 class) he still had to remark that she was much stronger than he anticipated.
A few years back Cyborg and Flash were both shown holding her back in a Titans trade cover. Flash is no brick, but Cyborg has been 100 class since his last official upgrade and he was struggling too. It's not "in the comic" but DC canon has referenced her as being fairly strong for a long while now.
