Originally posted by Existere
Yeah, me too to an extent. I try and fight that reaction in myself though, because I guess I think the key is to be more than tolerant- I mean, if you tolerate someone, it amounts to agreeing that they can exist in your perimeter.Still, I don't think anybody can claim that they aren't put off by a certain style, mannerism or whatever, even if it should logically be harmless.
Hmmm, I am intolerant sometimes; however, I have no issues with gayness per se, I just find all the gay pride stuff.. A bit wrong.
Originally posted by Existere
We don't really need to wait to see already that that isn't the case.
Only time will tell, if we need to wait or not.
Originally posted by ExisterePerhaps she could be led to believe that a same sex lifestyle is far superior to a opposite sex one. Heterosexuals don't celebrate heterosexuality as the point of their gathering. Compared to a gay pride event a circus might be less flashy and colorful. Flashy outfits and colorful spectacles appeal to all children more than drab, boring gatherings. She could learn to resent people who challenge the appropriateness of anything that the crowd deems ok. Is that inconceivable?
So... what change are you suggesting is occurring in this girl by attending this event? Just for clarification.
We probably wont get a definitive answer in our lifetime, if ever. At least not until we start to learn more about the Mind itself.
Not strictly related to sexuality, but I do believe that the relationships we witness while growing up, particularly between parents (our own or otherwise), can have a strong influence on our relationships. Our expectations, mindset/character of partners and the types of people we are attracted to, can be influenced by what goes on around us growing up (or at least, how we interpret what goes on around us), regardless of sexual preference.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Perhaps she could be led to believe that a same sex lifestyle is far superior to a opposite sex one. Heterosexuals don't celebrate heterosexuality as the point of their gathering. Compared to a gay pride event a circus might be less flashy and colorful. Flashy outfits and colorful spectacles appeal to all children more than drab, boring gatherings. She could learn to resent people who challenge the appropriateness of anything that the crowd deems ok. Is that inconceivable?
There are "straight pride" events occurring constantly around us, unless you haven't noticed, homosexuality is still a stigma in most cultures.
So that child in an essence is receiving daily doses of "don't be gay. don't be gay. don't be gay."
Originally posted by The MISTER
Perhaps she could be led to believe that a same sex lifestyle is far superior to a opposite sex one. Heterosexuals don't celebrate heterosexuality as the point of their gathering. Compared to a gay pride event a circus might be less flashy and colorful. Flashy outfits and colorful spectacles appeal to all children more than drab, boring gatherings. She could learn to resent people who challenge the appropriateness of anything that the crowd deems ok. Is that inconceivable?
this is why you can't confuse sexuality with gender preference
Originally posted by inimalistThanks for the informative post! 😎
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10842723http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11058483
or a critique of the biological hypothesis, that simply points to limitations in the ability to measure these things perfectly, but does not comment about the wrongness of the hypothesis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12836730
this is from searching "homosexual twin" into pub med. feel free to continue looking up modern research there
oh, and I didn't include the most important studies on twins because they are from before 2000 and are easily findable on Google if you are interested, however, almost every abstract I linked you talks about them, and they are essentially incontrovertible
this took me 20 seconds.
you must have looked exhaustively
Originally posted by Daemon SeedRight, I'm in the same boat, in that I can't do pride parades. 'Flamboyant' behavior irks the shit out of me, but I use the quotation marks because I don't really think that it is necessarily flamboyant or that it's a fault of any of the paraders.
Hmmm, I am intolerant sometimes; however, I have no issues with gayness per se, I just find all the gay pride stuff.. A bit wrong.
I'm just less tolerant and accepting on some level than I like to believe I am, which is something I need to realize and fight. I mean, being put off by behavior that seems to differ strongly from what you normally perceive and understand is only human. That doesn't make those people 'wrong' because they're behaving in a manner that puts me off, it just means I have to reevaluate why it bothers me so much.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Thanks for the informative post! 😎
This evidence gives more credibility to the idea that people are born predisposed to an orientation.
Originally posted by Dr MysteryI think you're right on the money! Likely it's a combination of rearing and pre-disposition. If it is pre-disposition it would be good to find some conclusive evidence so that non-heterosexuals can stop being vilified. One thing I'm positive about is that heterosexuals are equal to homosexuals in their capacity for good or evil. 😮💨
We probably wont get a definitive answer in our lifetime, if ever. At least not until we start to learn more about the Mind itself.Not strictly related to sexuality, but I do believe that the relationships we witness while growing up, particularly between parents (our own or otherwise), can have a strong influence on our relationships. Our expectations, mindset/character of partners and the types of people we are attracted to, can be influenced by what goes on around us growing up (or at least, how we interpret what goes on around us), regardless of sexual preference.
If you were bought up to know that being gay is wrong then it will be hard to tell your parents that you are or think you are.So I think it does depends on how you were bought up.
I know however that my parents told me that no matter what I do they will always love me. But not the lifestyle.(PS I am not gay so everyone knows)
I fully believe that sexual orientation, and in rare cases, sexual deviance such as pedophelia or asexuality occur from birth. However, preferences, fetishes, paraphelias, and other stuff comes from puberty, trauma, and sexual exploration with yourself and a partner.
I think the most important issues of social policy in this regard should be making sure that kids grow up in a good, non-abusive, non-misogynistic, non-misandrist environment and that they be educated properly in sexuality and personal hygiene, preferably by a doctor. It's especially important now that circumcision is going out of fashion since using the wrong soap or improper masturbation technique is one of the leading causes of phimosis.
As for influencing actual sexuality, I really do think the number one influence is sex partners. I've found for example, that a woman's opinions on anal sex are less based on physiology and more based on who she had her first experience with. Same with oral or sometimes even kissing.