Void vs Superboy prime

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This isn't WWH-Sentry, draining him out of energy thru physical damage won't work.

Except it has worked.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60545/1724979-1353233_thor_he_killed_sentry_on_crack_super_super.png

And by the way, that Void took a double dose of the serum that turned Sentry into Void.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Blah. I already gave Prime the win. My arguments are against the opinions you brought earlier in regards to the nature of the Sentry.

Read above quotes. You wrote Sentry and Void where in cahoots....they weren't.

My point is you can't erase Sentry unless Sentry wants to be erased.

And Nibedicus, you rock.

I said it was more accurate IN SIEGE, to say Bob and Void weren't in cahoots. Show me where Sentry and Void battled each other in Siege.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Also, I should add, Sersi reformed in a couple of panels from being demolecularized.

Is that the Blastaar instance? Wasn't there some context behind it?

Also, Sersi isn't Void, one cannot transplant feats and limitations between 2 completely different characters written by completely differrent (correct me if I'm wrong) writers during completely different periods using completely different scenarious.

What did that scan have to do with anything?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I said it was more accurate IN SIEGE, to say Bob and Void weren't in cahoots. Show me where Sentry and Void battled each other in Siege.

Sentry gave himself over to the Void. Meaning he went to sleep. Once Sentry saw what the Void did. He wished for SUICIDE!

They never battled where did you get this assumption from?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Guilt didn't jar Sentry out of the Void during Siege. Impact did + a degree of lets say......realignment.

I agree with Nebedicus' analogy of dreamlike existence though. Matches the Sentry's schizophrenic mindset.

The guy always had a loose grip on reality. Which is why I always liked him........and so many didn't.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Blah. I already gave Prime the win. My arguments are against the opinions you brought earlier in regards to the nature of the Sentry.

Read above quotes. You wrote Sentry and Void where in cahoots....they weren't. Sentry just gave himself over to him.

My point is you can't erase Sentry unless Sentry wants to be erased.

And Nibedicus, you rock.

Thanks man! You 2! :-D

Originally posted by the ninjak

My point is you can't erase Sentry unless Sentry wants to be erased.

That's not much of a point. So could any of these characters erase Sentry without him wanting to be erased?:

Thanos

Odin

Rune King Thor

Adult Franklin Richards

Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial

Fulcrum

Mr. Mxy

The Spectre

The Presence

The One Above All

???

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
That's not much of a point. So could any of these characters erase Sentry without him wanting to be erased?:

Thanos

Odin

Rune King Thor

Adult Franklin Richards

Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial

Fulcrum

Mr. Mxy

The Spectre

The Presence

The One Above All

???

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Most trans+ beings that have powers beyond physical attacks would be able to defeat the Void, yes. But, logically speaking, what's the worst SBP punching him or blasting him with HV can do here that he simply can't reform from?

Reductio ad Absurdum isn't really the best way to prove your point, man.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Reductio ad Absurdum isn't really the best way to prove your point, man.

First, you're completely misusing that fallacy since what I asked was in reply to a statement that NO ONE COULD ERASE HIM. If he said no one below trans level could erase him without him wanting to be erased you'd have a point.

Second, NINJAK implied no one could erase him unless he wanted to be erased, and you quote YOURSELF saying that some people could erase him in reply? That would work if I asked you the question in the first place.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
That's not much of a point. So could any of these characters erase Sentry without him wanting to be erased?:

Thanos

Odin

Rune King Thor

Adult Franklin Richards

Tiamut the Dreaming Celestial

Fulcrum

Mr. Mxy

The Spectre

The Presence

The One Above All

???

Oh Cmon!. Half of those guys are practically God!

Odin can't.

Adult Franklin can't.

As I said I'm no expert in Prime. But I gave him the win. Due to easily pushing Void into KO mode.

Sentry is another matter. Who will return one day I may add.

What was Prime's power output in your words in punching a being?
How does he punch a being that survived being killed in one place in time and still returned in another in the place of his choosing?

A character who died and still was able to defeat a prime matter manipulator whilst being dead? Overwhelmed him and still returned?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
First, you're completely misusing that fallacy since what I asked was in reply to a statement that NO ONE COULD ERASE HIM. If he said no one below trans level could erase him without him wanting to be erased you'd have a point.

Second, NINJAK implied no one could erase him unless he wanted to be erased, and you quote YOURSELF saying that some people could erase him in reply? That would work if I asked you the question in the first place.

For instance TOAA should be able to kill him obviously! You're going extremes.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Oh Cmon!. Half of those guys are practically God!

Odin can't.

Adult Franklin can't.

As I said I'm no expert in Prime. But I gave him the win. Due to easily pushing Void into KO mode.

Sentry is another matter. Who will return I may one day I may add.

What was Prime's power output in your words in punching a being?
How does he punch a being that survived being killed in one place in time and still returned in another in the place of his choosing?

A character who died and still was able to defeat a prime matter manipulator whilst being dead? Overwhelmed him and still returned?

You don't think Adult Franklin could erase Void from existence? Based on what? He destroyed two Celestials.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
First, you're completely misusing that fallacy since what I asked was in reply to a statement that NO ONE COULD ERASE HIM. If he said no one below trans level could erase him without him wanting to be erased you'd have a point.

Second, NINJAK implied no one could erase him unless he wanted to be erased, and you quote YOURSELF saying that some people could erase him in reply? That would work if I asked you the question in the first place.

I think that was his point, tho, he didn't explain it is so many words. At least I'm guessing that's what he meant as I'm sure his point wasn't to state that as an absolute but more of a general concept of how Void's power works.

Lets not go overboard as to start interpreting and extending each other's points in as illogical extremes as possible. Mutual respect over one's intellectual position would be the best course for the day, IMO.

And again, I'd love to hear what Void could do to put down Prime.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And again, I'd love to hear what Void could do to put down Prime.

I'd love to hear that, too. From ppl who claimed Void would win.

I myself, never said Void would win.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And again, I'd love to hear what Void could do to put down Prime.

Dude/

Neither of us said he would win this fight!

I said long back Prime would easily send the Void into Sentry state which means win.

You're arguing aganst people who agree with you yet simply want to express their opinions on what Sentry/Void is capable of.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Void was simply KO'd into Sentry state. Who wanted to die.

In a forum fight Sentry would want to die in order to not simply instantly revert back into Void state.

And even if Sentry was killed he can just reform behind his opponent and kill em.

But considering this fight is only Void. Ko'ing him into Sentry state counts as wins.

Not in Siege. Sentry/Void showed signs of mixed consciousness during the early days but not in the final hours of Siege.

The multiple personalities were solidly seperate.

I always dug this scan. Sentry flat out tells everybody that he just cant die. That should be an indication that he's going to reappear at some point. Also, Karla states that what happened with Wanda during the House Of M was nothing compared to the crap Bob could stir up.

Off topic I know, but I thought i'd add that. Tough fight. Not sure what Prime can actually do to him, but that might be the same according to the Void.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not trying to lowball, just looking at things in a different perspective. This isn't about Hulk, so his name isn't needed here.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lulz you were the one claiming its debatable that Prime is stronger than WWH i was correcting you.

I agree...someone else brought Hulk up so I decided to put my million dollar words in. I'm done with it though since it is straying us off topic. Sentry stomps.