Originally posted by iceman24567
Its obvious that enough damage will ko the Void he was killed after all it is possible to damage it. Like i said before by koing it 😐
Many will argue that this was due to him wanting to die. And it would be hard to argue against it as he has been shown to sustain far worse damage (demolecularization and even possible time-erasure) and just keep on chugging like nothing happened.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Its obvious that enough damage will ko the Void he was killed after all it is possible to damage it. Like i said before by koing it 😐
This. Also, as I've said many times before, people keep saying Bob wanted to die when Thor killed him, fine. But BEFORE THAT, when the Hellicarrier hit him, after being pounded on by Thor's amped lightning, the Void was damaged so badly he reverted to Bob, where at any time he wanted to, Thor could have delivered a single killing blow whether Bob wanted to die or not. Sentry has been pounded by WWH so badly that he ran out of energy also. It can be done. Granted, it took a lot of punishment, but it happened. Prime can deliver MULTIPLE TIMES more punishment than either WWH or the team that brought down Void.
Originally posted by NibedicusDuring siege attacks did affect him so as long as its possible to damage him a ko is possible even pure energy beings like Galactus have been koed by physical force the Void is no different
Many will argue that this was due to him wanting to die. And it would be hard to argue against it as he has been shown to sustain far worse damage (demolecularization and even possible time-erasure) and just keep on chugging like nothing happened.
Void was simply KO'd into Sentry state. Who wanted to die.
In a forum fight Sentry would want to die in order to not simply instantly revert back into Void state.
And even if Sentry was killed he can just reform behind his opponent and kill em.
But considering this fight is only Void. Ko'ing him into Sentry state counts as wins.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This. Also, as I've said many times before, people keep saying Bob wanted to die when Thor killed him, fine. But BEFORE THAT, when the Hellicarrier hit him, after being pounded on by Thor's amped lightning, the Void was damaged so badly he reverted to Bob, where at any time he wanted to, Thor could have delivered a single killing blow whether Bob wanted to die or not. Sentry has been pounded by WWH so badly that he ran out of energy also. It can be done. Granted, it took a lot of punishment, but it happened. Prime can deliver MULTIPLE TIMES more punishment than either WWH or the team that brought down Void.
WWH Sentry isn't the Sentry during the end of Siege, tho. WWH Sentry hasn't yet been shown to be able to reform past demolecularization. WWH-Sentry didn't have Matter Manip powers and WW Sentry was still quite "distinct" from his Void persona at that time. I feel that on the latter parts of the arc, Sentry and Void got more and more joined as a psyche (due to Osborn's influence) as well as new powers getting awakened due to his encounter with MM.
The Helicarrier incident can be written off or explained by the impact simply jarring back his righteous "Bob" persona (like getting woken up from a nightmare) temporarily and his "Bob" persona lowering his defenses and asking to be killed before the Void persona could take over.
I dunno, at least that's how I read the arc...
Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Helicarrier incident can be written off or explained by the impact simply jarring back his righteous "Bob" persona (like getting woken up from a nightmare) temporarily and his "Bob" persona lowering his defenses and asking to be killed before the Void persona could take over.I dunno, at least that's how I read the arc...
How can it be explained that way? When Bob appeared he didn't even know where he was or what he did. If he came back because he felt guilty he would have said so. You're really reaching...adding in an explanation that appears nowhere in the comic. It was clear to me that the physical force of the hellicarrier is what turned him back into Bob.
Prime easily overpowers Superman who himself is stronger than WWH (and that's not debatable either. Shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent while letting loose < lifting infinite weight, destroying moons in seconds, lifting mini black holes, slowing eternity, closing holes in reality with pure strength, etc.).
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How can it be explained that way? When Bob appeared he didn't even know where he was or what he did. If he came back because he felt guilty he would have said so. You're really reaching...adding in an explanation that appears nowhere in the comic. It was clear to me that the physical force of the hellicarrier is what turned him back into Bob.
If you wake from a nightmare, you'd usually stary off as highly incoherent, too. Til you realize you're awake and realize what's been happening while you were sleeping. It actually explains the whole thing pretty well.
Like I said, this is my interpretation of it, I'm not debating in a position of me wanting Sentry to win as I, personally, prefer SBP bewteen the 2. I have no motivation to "reach" here, so let's keep accusations of bias aside shall we?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
If you wake from a nightmare, you'd usually stary off as highly incoherent, too. Til you realize you're awake and realize what's been happening while you were sleeping. It actually explains the whole thing pretty well.Like I said, this is my interpretation of it, I'm not debating in a position of me wanting Sentry to win as I, personally, prefer SBP bewteen the 2. I have no motivation to "reach" here, so let's keep accusations of bias aside shall we?
The point isn't you showing any bias, which I never said you did, the point is you're claiming the guilt jarred Bob back out of the Void, when there is ZERO evidence on panel to back that claim up. Maybe if someone said something to that affect, or if we saw some internal conflict in the Void prior to the Hellicarrier, then I'd buy your argument, but there's nothing like that. In fact there's evidence to the contrary, as I said, Bob not knowing what's going on. If there was internal conflict, he would know exactly what happened.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Prime easily overpowers Superman who himself is stronger than WWH (and that's not debatable either. Shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent while letting loose < lifting infinite weight, destroying moons in seconds, lifting mini black holes, slowing eternity, closing holes in reality with pure strength, etc.).
WTF? If Superman has Unlimited strength (even though he doesn't), how would Prime be able to over power that? This isn't about Superman. Why is Prime stronger than WWH, especially looking at WWH punching power against Herald level beings.
Originally posted by carver9Primes punching power is also greater than Hulks
WTF? If Superman has Unlimited strength (even though he doesn't), how would Prime be able to over power that? This isn't about Superman. Why is Prime stronger than WWH, especially looking at WWH punching power against Herald level beings.
Originally posted by carver9
WTF? If Superman has Unlimited strength (even though he doesn't), how would Prime be able to over power that? This isn't about Superman. Why is Prime stronger than WWH, especially looking at WWH punching power against Herald level beings.
What heralds did WWH beat again? Prime has beaten TEAMS OF HERALDS AT ONCE. He rips their arms off.
WWH fought a depowered SS (with a team on Hulk's side, not the SS), He jumped on a Skrull Black Bolt who's back was turned....who are these heralds he punched out?