Thor vs Magneto

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Is Magneto's showing with the Golden Gate Bridge still the highest in the Marvel-verse?

Thor's Jotunheim Buster is better than Magento's Bridge feat by far though.

Ah. I don't remember the Jotunheim Buster.

Thor.

I saw talk about "thor getting crushed in his armor" but in what X-men movie did magneto show he had the strength in power to manipulate thors armor?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Thor.

I saw talk about "thor getting crushed in his armor" but in what X-men movie did magneto show he had the strength in power to manipulate thors armor?

1. Ripping iron out of a man's bloodstream and then wreaking havoc with said iron.

2. Easily stopping dozens of bullets/missles fired at ridiculous speeds with crazy amounts of force behind them without damaging them at all. Then turning them around and firing them back like a badass.

3. Lifting the Golden Gate Bridge (which weighs thousands and thousands of tons). Which btw includes ripping it free which would require much greater force than just free lifting it. Then carrying it easily (while still focusing on keeping himself airborne) and plopping it, gently enough to not rattle his allies, at the prison.

I would think he could manipulate Thor's armor quite easily. It's the hammer that's the real question.

I don't think Thor will be crushed by Magneto. He was shown to be extremely durable through his movie and the Avengers.

The only things that have shown to cause him any kind of damage is Hulk's punch which is strong enough to stop a giant flying armored monster, and Loki's Asgardian Knife.

Never mind he took a Frost Giant hand to the head which can break Asgardian Metal. He took Odin's staff blast to the chest.

He also survived that ridiculously high fall, or insane crash which ever way you want to look at it.

All without injury.

We also know Asgardian Metal is bullet proof.

But even if Magneto can restrain Thor in his armor. Thor can still summon his Tornados and Lightning to the area without having to move. He summoned that massive tornado against the destroyer without having to whirl his hammer about.

I don't think Mags can "crush" Thor with his own armor i just believe he could manipulate it. And iirc Thor was spinning the Hammer when he made the tornado.

Loki's knife was Asgardian but it didn't seem enchanted or special in any way which leads me to believe that Magneto could rip off a piece of Thor's armor and stab him with it. He might even be able to hold Thor in place or something similar.

I agree that Thor really only needs one clean hit and Mags is down. I also agree that Magneto has a hard time putting Thor down. I just think if he fights smart and uses his power correctly he can win this more often than not.

Originally posted by juggerman
I don't think Mags can "crush" Thor with his own armor i just believe he could manipulate it. And iirc Thor was spinning the Hammer when he made the tornado.

Loki's knife was Asgardian but it didn't seem enchanted or special in any way which leads me to believe that Magneto could rip off a piece of Thor's armor and stab him with it. He might even be able to hold Thor in place or something similar.

I agree that Thor really only needs one clean hit and Mags is down. I also agree that Magneto has a hard time putting Thor down. I just think if he fights smart and uses his power correctly he can win this more often than not.

We see him flying up as the tornado begins to form so he wasn't swinging his hammer when the tornado was forming.

He swings his hammer to seemingly intensify it, that's all.

Hmmmm interesting. That tornado would mess Mags up in that case

Originally posted by juggerman
Hmmmm interesting. That tornado would mess Mags up in that case

Edit: Just watched it on my phone yeah Thor was just starting to take off the ground when the tornado was forming. He didn't swing his hammer at all.

I'll look it up tho after you explained it i got the "damn he's right" feeling 😆

The only way i see Mags taking this now is to go for the quick kill right as the bell rings. The tornado took a few seconds to start up and Thor probably wouldn't go for it right away. Mags would have to hold Thor in place right away (assuming Thor isn't strong enough to just power out) and then rip of a piece of his armor and send it thru his head Sebastian Shaw style.

Yup Magneto 10/10 👆

EDIT: He probably wouldn't even need to hold Thor. Just the armor rip and the lobotomy should suffice. 😄

While it true Loki's Dagger managed to hurt Thor it was a superficial wound at best as we see Thor go on to fight an entire battle without seemingly slowing down. The only time we see him effected by it is when he stumbles a bit afterwards. So either he healed from it or didn't effect him greatly.

Secondly Loki's Dagger had to peirce through Thor's armor so either it was of higher quality than Thor's armor or Loki was doing something extra to it.

We did see in Thor that when Loki was throwing those things they seemed to have an energy surrounding them. They glowing with a blueish-greenish type color.

So simply breaking off Thor's armor and using it, assuming Magneto can do that, may not be a quick win either.

Originally posted by Newjak
While it true Loki's Dagger managed to hurt Thor it was a superficial wound at best as we see Thor go on to fight an entire battle without seemingly slowing down. The only time we see him effected by it is when he stumbles a bit afterwards. So either he healed from it or didn't effect him greatly.

Agreed

Secondly Loki's Dagger had to peirce through Thor's armor so either it was of higher quality than Thor's armor or Loki was doing something extra to it.

Well armor like that is usually for protection from "glancing" blows and/or debris. A direct stab from very close would not have to mean the dagger was of some better quality.

He also could have angled the blade between the plates of armor to insure damage was done. You could stab thru armor with a kitchen knife that way

We did see in Thor that when Loki was throwing those things they seemed to have an energy surrounding them. They glowing with a blueish-greenish type color.

That could have just been the color of them and the light and whatnot. I'm not saying they aren't special in some way but i just don't know

So simply breaking off Thor's armor and using it, assuming Magneto can do that, may not be a quick win either.

Just an idea..

Originally posted by juggerman
Agreed

Well armor like that is usually for protection from "glancing" blows and/or debris. A direct stab from very close would not have to mean the dagger was of some better quality.

He also could have angled the blade between the plates of armor to insure damage was done. You could stab thru armor with a kitchen knife that way

That could have just been the color of them and the light and whatnot. I'm not saying they aren't special in some way but i just don't know

Just an idea..

They even left glowing wounds if I recall right.

Originally posted by Newjak
Nah they were distinctly show with energy surrounding them. It wasn't the color or the light.

They even left glowing wounds if I recall right.

That energy was just kinetic energy. Loki's power just makes it visible . Everybody knows that 😛

He rips Thor's iron out of his blood. And then sends it all thru Thor's skull for good measure

Originally posted by juggerman
That energy was just kinetic energy. Loki's power just makes it visible . Everybody knows that 😛

He rips Thor's iron out of his blood. And then sends it all thru Thor's skull for good measure

Originally posted by Newjak
Magneto was only able to do that feat because Mystique injected a ton of metal into the security guards body. Without that extra Magneto was never shown to be able to do that, assuming Thor has Iron in his blood.

Yup and she got to Thor under the guise of Natalie Portman before this fight.

Even still a shard of Thor's armor thru his brain is a show stopper

Originally posted by juggerman
1. Ripping iron out of a man's bloodstream and then wreaking havoc with said iron.

2. Easily stopping dozens of bullets/missles fired at ridiculous speeds with crazy amounts of force behind them without damaging them at all. Then turning them around and firing them back like a badass.

3. Lifting the Golden Gate Bridge (which weighs thousands and thousands of tons). Which btw includes ripping it free which would require much greater force than just free lifting it. Then carrying it easily (while still focusing on keeping himself airborne) and plopping it, gently enough to not rattle his allies, at the prison.

I would think he could manipulate Thor's armor quite easily. It's the hammer that's the real question.

thats all true but as I recall in the avengers IM shot him with 400% power and it literally didn't even singe his armor. It shows pretty high durability. I mean it's cool mags did the bridge thing(the only real thing he has done with power) but I am in disbelief he can effect Thors armor. Bending adamantium was probably his greatest feat in the movie imo.

Also I would like to point out that Magneto from First class is not the same magneto as the rest of the movies. First class is considered a reboot.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
thats all true but as I recall in the avengers IM shot him with 400% power and it literally didn't even singe his armor. It shows pretty high durability. I mean it's cool mags did the bridge thing(the only real thing he has done with power) but I am in disbelief he can effect Thors armor. Bending adamantium was probably his greatest feat in the movie imo.

Also I would like to point out that Magneto from First class is not the same magneto as the rest of the movies. First class is considered a reboot.

I remember when he was controlling Wolverine's body in the first movie he caused the claws to stretch at the joints but I wouldn't call that bending it.

iirc in the 1st movie. The bus scene. When he he has wolverine floating there he makes his claws go from straight to "pulling" off into slants. The right claw points at an angle off to the right and the left claw points off to the left at an angle. No bending to a degree where it curls around itself or anything like that.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
iirc in the 1st movie. The bus scene. When he he has wolverine floating there he makes his claws go from straight to "pulling" off into slants. The right claw points at an angle off to the right and the left claw points off to the left at an angle. No bending to a degree where it curls around itself or anything like that.

I don't know if that scene portrays Magneto bending Adamantium. Those claws are attached to something bendable otherwise his hands would become locked in place every time he draws them out yet we see he can move them around.

I think Magneto was just stretching the claws where they meet the stretchy part they connect to inside of Wolverine's hands.