Thor vs Magneto

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor's Jotunheim smash far outstrips anything Erik did.

As does the Leviathan PAUNCH really.

It terms of powerful attacks, probably yes, that wasn't the issue though. The issue was could Magneto hurt Thor using metal as a medium, he's shown the power to.

LoL, no. Magneto could have stopped and crushed every Leviathan ship (iirc, 7 total were shown) with a thought, considering they were partially made of metal and their combined mass is likely no where near that of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Originally posted by Newjak
That's the scene I was mentioning.

I don't know if that scene portrays Magneto bending Adamantium. Those claws are attached to something bendable otherwise his hands would become locked in place every time he draws them out yet we see he can move them around.

I think Magneto was just stretching the claws where they meet the stretchy part they connect to inside of Wolverine's hands.

You see him flex the claws and it causes Wolverine pain, as there's bone underneath. Considering how durable adamantium is, it shows the kind of control/force Magneto can exert over metals.

There is no "stretchy part", when we see the x-ray in X-Men, Logan's skeleton is completely covered with adamantium.

Comic Mags can control Adamantium anyways. No surprise the Movie version could.

Question is, is Thor's armor as enchanted as Mjolnir is?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Comic Mags can control Adamantium anyways. No surprise the Movie version could.

Question is, is Thor's armor as enchanted as Mjolnir is?

Never been stated so we says no

Originally posted by Robtard
You see him flex the claws and it causes Wolverine pain, as there's bone underneath. Considering how durable adamantium is, it shows the kind of control/force Magneto can exert over metals.

There is no "stretchy part", when we see the x-ray in X-Men, Logan's skeleton is completely covered with adamantium.

Think about it.

Something has to allow Wolverine to retract and extend his claws. Some muscle, tendons, something.

To me all Mags did was move the claws around in Wolverine's hands. He didn't bend the actual admantium itself, just move the claws which obviously can move around. That's what caused him pain.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah his skeleton, what connects a skeleton together tendons and ligaments aka 'stretching things'.

Think about it.

Something has to allow Wolverine to retract and extend his claws. Some muscle, tendons, something.

To me all Mags did was move the claws around in Wolverine's hands. He didn't bend the actual admantium itself, just move the claws which obviously can move around. That's what caused him pain.

You see Magneto flex the claws, which we saw in Origins were straight bone. He even comments "what a remarkable metal" while doing it.

Think about that.

Originally posted by Robtard
You see Magneto flex the claws, which we saw in Origins were straight bone. He even comments "what a remarkable metal" while doing it.

Think about that.

Flexing the claws, How does one flex claws?

All we saw is Magento holding Wolverine up and then he causes the claws to stretch outward.

Think about it.

In order for metal to bend it's has to bend at focal point. What was the focal point that Magento was bending them against.

We saw from the x-raw on Wolverine there isn't some solid Admantium base holding the claws in a fixed position. We also see that the claws are compacted when inside his forearms. Yet when he unsheathes them they naturally flair outward like this:

\|/ <-- out of forearms inside forearms |||

So they can move side to side otherwise Wolverine wouldn't be able to pop his claws if they stayed in one poistion or the other.

He also wouldn't be able to move his wrist at all if the claws base of the claws or where they attach to him weren't flexible somehow.

It's more reasonable he was simply causing the claws to stretch out even more causing Wolverine pain.

Also that's not what he says.

Magento says, "That remarkable metal doesn't run through your whole body does it?" or something like that.

Then he flings him backwards.

Originally posted by Newjak
I am and it no way changes what I said.

Flexing the claws, How does one flex claws?

All we saw is Magento holding Wolverine up and then he causes the claws to stretch outward.

Think about it.

In order for metal to bend it's has to bend at focal point. What was the focal point that Magento was bending them against.

We saw from the x-raw on Wolverine there isn't some solid Admantium base holding the claws in a fixed position. We also see that the claws are compacted when inside his forearms. Yet when he unsheathes them they naturally flair outward like this:

\|/ <-- out of forearms inside forearms |||

So they can move side to side otherwise Wolverine wouldn't be able to pop his claws if they stayed in one poistion or the other.

He also wouldn't be able to move his wrist at all if the claws base of the claws or where they attach to him weren't flexible somehow.

It's more reasonable he was simply causing the claws to stretch out even more causing Wolverine pain.

Also that's not what he says.

Magento says, "That remarkable metal doesn't run through your whole body does it?" or something like that.

Then he flings him backwards.

You can flex the blade of a knife without breaking or permanently altering it.

We see Magneto do the same.

Wolverine's adamantium would have been Magneto's "focal point".

Think about it.

Point was, he was commenting on the adamantium, which he was manipulating.

Considering we know Magneto in the comics can outright manipulate adamantium on a molecular level, it's silly to assume he's completely incapable of such a minor feat by comparison, as a little flexing, which we did see.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can flex the blade of a knife without breaking or permanently altering it.

We see Magneto do the same.

Wolverine's adamantium would have been Magneto's "focal point".

Think about it.

Point was, he was commenting on the adamantium, which he was manipulating.

Considering we know Magneto in the comics can outright manipulate adamantium on a molecular level, it's silly to assume he's completely incapable of such a minor feat by comparison, as a little flexing, which we did see.

Comic feats are not allowed for a movie character.

And I could see you point if we actually see the claws flex.

And no we don't see Magneto flex Wolverine's claws. The claws never bend in the middle. We just see the claws separate more than they normally do from each other.

Seriously think about.

When you get to the very beginning of the claw. There is something that is movable there. No matter which way you try to say it. There something that obviously allows the claws to move around. Otherwise his claws wouldn't spread out when they are unsheathed from his forearms.

All Magneto is doing is stretching them out further at that movable focal point. That's it there is no bending going on.

Just want to say that Loki's daggers, as far as we've seen in Thor the movie, are ALL enchanted daggers. I think it would be safe to assume that the dagger he stabbed Thor with was enchanted as well since we didn't exactly seem him draw the blade out but just seemed to be in his hand.

So because he had the dagger at the ready means it was enchanted? You know how many times in movies people get stabbed/shot by weapons we never actually saw taken out?

EDIT: While we're at it we didn't see Elizabeth Swann actually grab the chain she handcuffed Jack Sparrow with in Dead Man's Chest. It just seemed to be in her hand. She's a witch!!!!

Originally posted by juggerman
So because he had the dagger at the ready means it was enchanted? You know how many times in movies people get stabbed/shot by weapons we never actually saw taken out?

EDIT: While we're at it we didn't see Elizabeth Swann actually grab the chain she handcuffed Jack Sparrow with in Dead Man's Chest. It just seemed to be in her hand. She's a witch!!!!

Originally posted by Newjak
No offense but perhaps you should think about it.

Comic feats are not allowed for a movie character.

And I could see you point if we actually see the claws flex.

And no we don't see Magneto flex Wolverine's claws. The claws never bend in the middle. We just see the claws separate more than they normally do from each other.

Seriously think about.

When you get to the very beginning of the claw. There is something that is movable there. No matter which way you try to say it. There something that obviously allows the claws to move around. Otherwise his claws wouldn't spread out when they are unsheathed from his forearms.

All Magneto is doing is stretching them out further at that movable focal point. That's it there is no bending going on.

Obviously I'm not using comic feats, as Magneto has ripped out Logan's adamantium entirely and not some simple little flex.

I understand your angle saying that Magneto was flexing his tendons and didn't manipulate the adamantium claws at all, but again, that wouldn't make sense considering what we see Wolverine put his claws through. They would have ripped out in several scenarios through the films.

Think about that. Or are Wolverine's tendons super-duper insanely durable.

Originally posted by Robtard
It terms of powerful attacks, probably yes, that wasn't the issue though. The issue was could Magneto hurt Thor using metal as a medium, he's shown the power to.

LoL, no. Magneto could have stopped and crushed every Leviathan ship (iirc, 7 total were shown) with a thought, considering they were partially made of metal and their combined mass is likely no where near that of the Golden Gate Bridge.

Yeah... Magneto has never been portrayed as nearly that powerful in the movies. The Golden Gate Bridge feat was his best showing, and required his full effort and concentration to do. Also, the Leviathans were capable of sustained flight and Hulk had to stop their full momentum with that punch.

Also, fyi, the entirety of the Golden Gate Bridge's weight would be nearly nine hundred thousand tons. Magneto did not move all of that weight, but IIRC Thor and Hulk's strength have been quantified to be in the millions of tons in terms of strength.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah, but Thor and Hulk could take eachother's blows pretty well, giving Thor pretty gosh darn good durability.

Yeah... Magneto has never been portrayed as nearly that powerful in the movies. The Golden Gate Bridge feat was his best showing, and required his full effort and concentration to do. Also, the Leviathans were capable of sustained flight and Hulk had to stop their full momentum with that punch.

Also, fyi, the entirety of the Golden Gate Bridge's weight would be nearly nine hundred thousand tons. Magneto did not move all of that weight, but IIRC Thor and Hulk's strength have been quantified to be in the millions of tons in terms of strength.

Not doubting Thor's durability.

He can fully concentrate on Thor here.

Golden Gate Bridge and pylons are said to be in the 150,000 ton range. Magneto tore it from the pylons (a feat of itself) while sustaining the bridge's weight and then carried the bridge and portion of the pylons. But if it's 900,000 tons, then it that's more impressive. Where was Hulk's/Thor's quantified to be in the millions of tons range? Because they would have caused a lot more damage if so.

Edit, you're right, the GGB is in the 900K ton range. Which means Thor is even more ****ed than previously thought. Source: http://goldengatebridge.org/research/factsGGBDesign.php

Fully concentrate on these.

*grabs crotch*

Originally posted by Robtard
Obviously I'm not using comic feats, as Magneto has ripped out Logan's adamantium entirely and not some simple little flex.

I understand your angle saying that Magneto was flexing his tendons and didn't manipulate the adamantium claws at all, but again, that wouldn't make sense considering what we see Wolverine put his claws through. They would have ripped out in several scenarios through the films.

Think about that. Or are Wolverine's tendons super-duper insanely durable.

It's give them better surface area pressure(if that makes sense) against other things.

I mean Wolverine can cut stuff without exerting any pressure at all and cause they cut things like butter they never have a ton of force exerted on them really.

Also Wolverine's tendons would be pretty strong considering also they would be constantly healing any damage done to them.

But think about this. Wolverine's entire body has endured some crazy attacks. We don't see him getting dislocated joints all the time, or losing limbs. So obviously something is holding him together that is both durable and flexible.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Fully concentrate on these.

*grabs crotch*

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Originally posted by Newjak
They are super sharp items that slice through everything.

It's give them better surface area pressure(if that makes sense) against other things.

I mean Wolverine can cut stuff without exerting any pressure at all and cause they cut things like butter they never have a ton of force exerted on them really.

Also Wolverine's tendons would be pretty strong considering also they would be constantly healing any damage done to them.

But think about this. Wolverine's entire body has endured some crazy attacks. We don't see him getting dislocated joints all the time, or losing limbs. So obviously something is holding him together that is both durable and flexible.

He cried like a little ***** when Sabretooth beat his ass in Origins, this was pre Adamantium.

Think about that.