Centurian durability (Nova group member)>>Manchester...
This is what happens when Gladiator blitz Manchester.
Centurian durability (Nova group member)>>Manchester...
This is what happens when Gladiator blitz Manchester.
Originally posted by carver9
Never show bias with the character... I give people majorities over him that deserves it. Would you like for me to post the page of your comments involving Gladiator? You do not like the character at all... despise him.Read this scan...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/116/36644588mv7.jpg/
Remember, everything about Wonderman physically is >>>> Chester. I can provide more if you want.
actually, i don't despise the character. you're right though--i do not like him much. he gets overrated often and i think its ridiculous that people think he could beat superman. the character was created as a PARODY of superman. frankly, naming him KALLARK and giving him knock-off powers--i have no idea how marvel expected anyone to ever take the character seriously.
that's neither here nor there for this debate. simon's reactions have never been shown to be very good at all--he has 1 or 2 feats that indicate they are a little above human, but nothing anymore than hulk (feel free to prove me wrong). and HE could react to the blitz. rolled with it in fact. just more proof that glads's blitz isn't all that great. if simon--who really has no super-reaction speed, can react, i see little reason, if any, to think a tp'er of black's level couldn't use his powers before glad's blitzed him.
but you never answered my question--could glad's beat cassie 10/10? she has no speed feats that i'm aware of. so?
Originally posted by carver9
Centurian durability (Nova group member)>>Manchester...This is what happens when Gladiator blitz Manchester.
Don't get me wrong but if Glads would need as much time to kill MB as he needed on this Nova noob (who had the time to talk btw), he would lose this fight in the most embarrassing manner.
Originally posted by carver9
Centurian durability (Nova group member)>>Manchester...This is what happens when Gladiator blitz Manchester.
😂
guy stood there and asked him to stand down and got hit instead. not exactly an impresive blitz, btw. but i partly agree--black would make him THINK that's what happened. and when glads stopped to examine the wreckage, black would use his tk to close every blood vessel in kallark's brain and kill him before he understood what happened.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Don't get me wrong but if Glads would need as much time to kill MB as he needed on this Nova noob (who had the time to talk btw), he would lose this fight in the most embarrassing manner.
I didn't post that as a speed feat, I posted that to show what's going to happen to MC once he gets blitzed.
Originally posted by carver9
I didn't post that as a speed feat, I posted that to show what's going to happen to MC once he gets blitzed.
Yes, I hoped you wanted to show something else then why Glads would lose. Maybe you can show us how Glads blitzes someone before the person has time to think, though no surprise attack or suckerpunch.
Originally posted by leonidas
actually, i don't despise the character. you're right though--i do not like him much. he gets overrated often and i think its ridiculous that people think he could beat superman. the character was created as a PARODY of superman. frankly, naming him KALLARK and giving him knock-off powers--i have no idea how marvel expected anyone to ever take the character seriously.that's neither here nor there for this debate. simon's reactions have never been shown to be very good at all--he has 1 or 2 feats that indicate they are a little above human, but nothing anymore than hulk (feel free to prove me wrong). and HE could react to the blitz. rolled with it in fact. just more proof that glads's blitz isn't all that great. if simon--who really has no super-reaction speed, can react, i see little reason, if any, to think a tp'er of black's level couldn't use his powers before glad's blitzed him.
but you never answered my question--could glad's beat cassie 10/10? she has no speed feats that i'm aware of. so?
It depends.
Characters get basic knowledge of each other and Glads WILL know that she is a powerful TP so why not blitz her at the beginning of the fight at multiple light speed?
Another thing... how fast is Cassie and Manchester TP attack and I want proof because saying that TP>Light is a lie unless you thing Wolverine and Sabertooth was moving near "c"... http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
As for Wonderman speed. If I show you Wonderman using super human speed, would you concede that Manchester gets stomped in this fight?
Originally posted by carver9
It depends.Characters get basic knowledge of each other and Glads WILL know that she is a powerful TP so why not blitz her at the beginning of the fight at multiple light speed?
Another thing... how fast is Cassie and Manchester TP attack and I want proof because saying that TP>Light is a lie unless you thing Wolverine and Sabertooth was moving near "c"... http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg
As for Wonderman speed. If I show you Wonderman using super human speed, would you concede that Manchester gets stomped in this fight?
The mind can follow =/= speed of though. She thinks but she can't follow their movement completly, in other words, her eyes (an extension of the brain) can barely follow the movement of them, they are a blur.
Glads speed.
Glads hit Cannonball with a poll that sends him flying... as soon as he hits the atmosphere Glad blitz him, blitz him again and wraps him in a poll before Cannonball even realized what happened.
Originally posted by carver9
It depends.Characters get basic knowledge of each other and Glads WILL know that she is a powerful TP so why not blitz her at the beginning of the fight at multiple light speed?
so you have a scan of him blitzing someone at multiples of c? sweet. i eagerly await said scan.
Another thing... how fast is Cassie and Manchester TP attack and I want proof because saying that TP>Light is a lie unless you thing Wolverine and Sabertooth was moving near "c"...
i've no idea what that scan is supposed to show.... 😕
anyway, here's just one scan proving tp>>>lightspeed:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Some believe that Xavier communicating with Lilandra across the Universe is due to the soul link they share. Well here's Xavier's psionic wave reaching the Sh'iar Empire before they even form that bond. Even Sh'iar telepaths feel it.
there really are loads of examples from both marvela and dc. flash himself admitted that if grodd SAW him (made eye-contact) he'd be f'd. xavier--who has next to zero speed--easily reacted to kory of the titans and ko'd her with a tp shot. kory>>simon in speed feats. phoenix has communicated across vast distances instantly. moondragon the same. mm has instantly linked all the minds of a planet. xavier linked all the minds of the SKRULL world from a MOON instantly and used it to attack galactus. at times there is some inconsistency shown in the speed of travel of tp/tk, but more often than not it operates automatically across ANY distance and only pis speedsters can outrace or operate more quickly than can tp. hell, even magneto's powers--which are psi based--worked across lightyears.
As for Wonderman speed. If I show you Wonderman using super human speed, would you concede that Manchester gets stomped in this fight?
i already said he has some minor speed feats. show it if you'd like though. i doubt it will be very convincing.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The mind can follow =/= speed of though. She thinks but she can't follow their movement completly, in other words, her eyes (an extension of the brain) can barely follow the movement of them, they are a blur.
WTF... she was following the fight via TP and her MIND/TP could not follow their movement because they were moving so fast. That feat had nothing to do with her eyes "lol" since she was tracking them with her mind. Now again, since her light speed TP attacks were unable to follow Wolvy and Sabes, does that make them near "c"?
Originally posted by leonidas
so you have a scan of him blitzing someone at multiples of c? sweet. i eagerly await said scan.i've no idea what that scan is supposed to show.... 😕
anyway, here's just one scan proving tp>>>lightspeed:
there really are loads of examples from both marvela and dc. flash himself admitted that if grodd SAW him (made eye-contact) he'd be f'd. xavier--who has next to zero speed--easily reacted to kory of the titans and ko'd her with a tp shot. kory>>simon in speed feats. phoenix has communicated across vast distances instantly. moondragon the same. mm has instantly linked all the minds of a planet. xavier linked all the minds of the SKRULL world from a MOON instantly and used it to attack galactus. at times there is some inconsistency shown in the speed of travel of tp/tk, but more often than not it operates automatically across ANY distance and only pis speedsters can outrace or operate more quickly than can tp. hell, even magneto's powers--which are psi based--worked across lightyears.
i already said he has some minor speed feats. show it if you'd like though. i doubt it will be very convincing.
What bearing would a non-canon crossover have here?
Originally posted by carver9
WTF... she was following the fight via TP and her MIND/TP could not follow their movement because they were moving so fast. That feat had nothing to do with her eyes "lol" since she was tracking them with her mind. Now again, since her light speed TP attacks were unable to follow Wolvy and Sabes, does that make them near "c"?
But she saw it through eyes, why else refer to their movement as blur. And again wrong carver, she followed them, "almost faster then my mind can follow" = "my mind can still follow them" 😄. BTW how comes that she attacked them with her TP at lightspeed? Can you show me the scan where it sates that she did so?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wait, are you talking about Starfire?What bearing would a non-canon crossover have here?
true, non-canon, but still a good indicator.
anyway, another quote:
The Speed of Sound is 761 miles per hour. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. The Speed of Thought cannot be quantified. - Xavier (UXM-First Class #5)
thanks to id for the find. 🙂
more proof tp>speedsters. nate takes out aurora and northstar
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6192/xman028large1112.jpg
i could keep posting, but the point is firmly made--tp>lightspeed. which is meaningless anyway since glad's has never, ever, blitzed anyone at NEAR lightspeed and even simon williams has had time to react to his blitz....
Originally posted by leonidas
true, non-canon, but still a good indicator.anyway, another quote:
thanks to id for the find. 🙂
more proof tp>speedsters. nate takes out aurora and northstar
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6192/xman028large1112.jpg
i could keep posting, but the point is firmly made--tp>lightspeed. which is meaningless anyway since glad's has never, ever, blitzed anyone at NEAR lightspeed and even simon williams has had time to react to his blitz....
Gotta love lazy writers.
Originally posted by leonidas
so you have a scan of him blitzing someone at multiples of c? sweet. i eagerly await said scan.i've no idea what that scan is supposed to show.... 😕
anyway, here's just one scan proving tp>>>lightspeed:
there really are loads of examples from both marvela and dc. flash himself admitted that if grodd SAW him (made eye-contact) he'd be f'd. xavier--who has next to zero speed--easily reacted to kory of the titans and ko'd her with a tp shot. kory>>simon in speed feats. phoenix has communicated across vast distances instantly. moondragon the same. mm has instantly linked all the minds of a planet. xavier linked all the minds of the SKRULL world from a MOON instantly and used it to attack galactus. at times there is some inconsistency shown in the speed of travel of tp/tk, but more often than not it operates automatically across ANY distance and only pis speedsters can outrace or operate more quickly than can tp. hell, even magneto's powers--which are psi based--worked across lightyears.
i already said he has some minor speed feats. show it if you'd like though. i doubt it will be very convincing.
I never said that TP couldn't travel at c... what I am saying is the person who is using the TP would have to get off a thought before getting blitzed at light. Example... as soon as the battle starts and Glads blitz, will Manchester or Cassie be able to conjure up a thought before getting their heads taken off? This isn't a chasing contest.
So do you have feats of a TPer giving off a TP blast before getting hit at light not chasing a light speed beam with their minds.
Originally posted by carver9
I never said that TP couldn't travel at c... what I am saying is the person who is using the TP would have to get off a thought before getting blitzed at light. Example... as soon as the battle starts and Glads blitz, will Manchester or Cassie be able to conjure up a thought before getting their heads taken off? This isn't a chasing contest.So do you have feats of a TPer giving off a TP blast before getting hit at light not chasing a light speed beam with their minds.
Shouldn't you provide a scan first, showing that Glads blitzes someone at light speed? Because in all other scans he obiously didn't. 😉
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
But she saw it through eyes, why else refer to their movement as blur. And again wrong carver, she followed them, "almost faster then my mind can follow" = "my mind can still follow them" 😄. BTW how comes that she attacked them with her TP at lightspeed? Can you show me the scan where it sates that she did so?
I was making fun of you all with the light speed TP... I don't think its light speed just like I don't think Wolvy and Sabes are light. You are not reading the scan right, she was struggling to follow their movements with her "mind"... not her eyes. Her mind and eyes are 2 different things.
