For the people that doesn't know, Manchester showed up again a couple of issues before the Imperiex saga. He had a device planted in him by the Government that depleted his power. They gave him control of some Super Humans to use against Superman (which failed). After that, he removed the device that implanted in him andreceived his powers back and killed the goverment agency that implanted it in him. That's all they showed of the character after that but all of this happened before Imperiex attack on Earth.
Originally posted by Lord_TalronHe's not really that good at concentrating his blasts, since that same blast you're talking about left a spot on the moon, is he now?
are you saying coldcast is incapable of concentrating his blasts? superman clearly took the brunt of that blast, coldcast had his head in his hands...
Speaking of which, we have another TK shield feat for Manchester Black - he is clearly seen in the background, surrounding himself and the other members, with a TK shield just before Coldcast detonates the massive explosion.
And there's no doubt that's his shield, since it's the same one he uses to shield himself and Coldcast.
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Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
1. Carver may be wrong, but you're just as wrong by assuming a Kryptonian who gets his powers by having solar batteries for cells = gladiator that has psionic (aka brain) - based powers.2. Would Black be performing these actions before or after he (full of rage) starts yelling out he can't detect Glads and threatens to AoE bomb the area with TK, only to die shortly thereafter?
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I already conceded that his telepathy = impressive, but all of what you mentioned was done with prep and access to Luthor's database.
umm, don't get #1 at all. 😬 we've SEEN proof--on panel--that clark's cells are pretty much invulnerable and are the literal source of his powers. black overcame SUPERMAN'S invulnerability. glad's HAS no proof that his insides are invulnerable, and the fact that his powers are psionic in nature, as opposed to physical, only lends MORE credence to the fact that black could easily replicate the feat. the psionic nature wouldn't make him immune in any way to tk. only person i EVER saw who was even close to 'immune' to tk was logan--and that was ridiculous. i don't see how the nature of his power would be any sort of protection at all and would seem to be a detriment imo.
#2 i MIGHT agree with you were black dropped on a planet where glads was ALREADY moving at speed and black was caught by surprise. however, sice he SEES glads and KNOWS where he is, i think your comparison to that feat is inapplicable.
have you got a scan regarding this database you keep bringing up?
Originally posted by carver9
Because we are talking about a being that is COMPLETELY Invulnerable to physical harm.
pretty much stopped reading after that utter and blatant lie.
The only time he has ever been hurt internally was when a being that was already class 100 amped by absorbing the energy from his entire race which consisted of millions of beings. If it was that easy to take Glads out, Jean Grey or any other high end TP/TK being on the Xmen would have did it a long time ago.
not even close. if you think about it you MIGHT figure out why that argument is analogous to crying PIS.
Manchester isn't popping his eyes out and he sure as hell isn't messing with him internally.
ludicrous and unsupported. he was blinded by his own VISION! a whisper from bb nealry ko'd him. his senses are certainly vulnerable, as is his brain. stopped flat out making stuff up. damn. that's the kinda stuff that's gonna get pr in here warning you.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
My point was two-fold.1. It's very possible that Clark and Kallark have differing physiologies. Due not only to the fact that they are both aliens from different universes and planets, but also due to the fact that their powers work differently.
black has ALREADY affected aliens (LOADS OF THEM) with his tp. all their brains would have worked differently. the wealth of evidence says that the fact that glads is 'alien' would be meaningless in this imo.
If he goes for eye popping action or anything like that, we have no way of knowing how Gladiator's Psionic defenses would hold up.
when have his--or anyone's--psionic ability made them immune to tk?
Originally posted by carver9
Because we are talking about a being that is COMPLETELY Invulnerable to physical harm.
I thought you read the comics with Gladiator in them?
He's nothing of the sort.
Originally posted by carver9
For the people that doesn't know, Manchester showed up again a couple of issues before the Imperiex saga. He had a device planted in him by the Government that depleted his power. They gave him control of some Super Humans to use against Superman (which failed). After that, he removed the device that implanted in him andreceived his powers back and killed the goverment agency that implanted it in him. That's all they showed of the character after that but all of this happened before Imperiex attack on Earth.
What you just said isn't true. the device didn't rob him of his powers; it was designed to keep him in line. that's all.
Originally posted by leonidas
umm, don't get #1 at all. 😬 we've SEEN proof--on panel--that clark's cells are pretty much invulnerable and are the literal source of his powers. black overcame SUPERMAN'S invulnerability. glad's HAS no proof that his insides are invulnerable, and the fact that his powers are psionic in nature, as opposed to physical, only lends MORE credence to the fact that black could easily replicate the feat. the psionic nature wouldn't make him immune in any way to tk. only person i EVER saw who was even close to 'immune' to tk was logan--and that was ridiculous. i don't see how the nature of his power would be any sort of protection at all and would seem to be a detriment imo.#2 i MIGHT agree with you were black dropped on a planet where glads was ALREADY moving at speed and black was caught by surprise. however, sice he SEES glads and KNOWS where he is, i think your comparison to that feat is inapplicable.
have you got a scan regarding this database you keep bringing up?
How about you show us Manchester starting the battle of by popping people brains/eyes out, especially a super human like Gladiator.
Originally posted by carver9
How about you show us Manchester starting the battle of by popping people brains/eyes out, especially a super human like Gladiator.
you already saw him do something even more precise when he gave superman a stroke. 😐 and there is EVIDENCE clark's insides are invulnerable.
never saw black bake a pie or take a dump either, but i'm pretty sure he could do so. all that and THAT's what you answer with. you need to tap out of this discussion entirely. said it before--you're hurting your boy far more than you're helping him and utterly justifying my dislike of the character by lying, exaggerating and outright falsifying scans related to him.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaWhere would MB rank among Jesus Cable or Nate?
He's not really that good at concentrating his blasts, since that same blast you're talking about left a spot on the moon, is he now?Speaking of which, we have another TK shield feat for Manchester Black - he is clearly seen in the background, surrounding himself and the other members, with a TK shield just before Coldcast detonates the massive explosion.
And there's no doubt that's his shield, since it's the same one he uses to shield himself and Coldcast.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supermanvselite7.jpg
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Originally posted by Mindset
Where would MB rank among Jesus Cable or Nate?
it's a tough comparison to make. cable had some crazy feats--rebuilding cities on the fly with ss--but could he have used his tk to give clark a stroke? hard to say. black did control thousands at a time, and was able to block jonn's scans pretty easily. he is definitely an uber psi. that illusion he ran on clark was impressive as hell given clark's feats against tp users. could he bust a planet or at least a moon if he really tried? depends on how you are willing to interpret the scans but i'd say the possibility exists which would put him at or very near their level. least imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought you read the comics with Gladiator in them?He's nothing of the sort.
What you just said isn't true. the device didn't rob him of his powers; it was designed to keep him in line. that's all.
Also, just for the record, that wasn't Blacks last appearance either. Ending Battle happened AFTER the Imperiex Saga.
Hell, Ending Battle even references Luthors part in the war, and the Mongul training.
