Originally posted by carver9
I was making fun of you all with the light speed TP... I don't think its light speed just like I don't think Wolvy and Sabes are light. You are not reading the scan right, she was struggling to follow their movements with her "mind"... not her eyes. Her mind and eyes are 2 different things.
Bottom line. She saw them, she followed them. So your point is moot 😉.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Shouldn't you provide a scan first, showing that Glads blitzes someone at light speed? Because in all other scans he obiously didn't. 😉
Deal...
Glads blitz Ego at light speed and blitz completely through him and come out the other end. Is there anything else you would like to see?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/354/32505489pi3.jpg/
I hope you posted the scans I asked you for in the message you sent me.
Originally posted by carver9
Deal...Glads blitz Ego at light speed and blitz completely through him and come out the other end. Is there anything else you would like to see?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/354/32505489pi3.jpg/
I hope you posted the scans I asked you for in the message you sent me.
Near-light velocity while a planet is accoupied... honestly. You have to do better then this, this ain't no blitz, it's like Superman flying at nea light speed thorugh the moon, something you dismissed.
So yes you have to show me a light speed blitz, against an opponent who shouldn't be a planet, for christ sake and it should be at light speed, not near it 😉.
I posted already every scan in our little discussion, now it's you turn to provide the proof of all your claims, like Glads Hyperspeed (movement, building) = trillion times the speed of light. And no DBZ math please, plain facts ok?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Near-light velocity while a planet is accoupied... honestly. You have to do better then this, this ain't no blitz, it's like Superman flying at nea light speed thorugh the moon, something you dismissed.So yes you have to show me a light speed blitz, against an opponent who shouldn't be a planet, for christ sake and it should be at light speed, not near it 😉.
I posted already every scan in our little discussion, now it's you turn to provide the proof of all your claims, like Glads Hyperspeed (movement, building) = trillion times the speed of light. And no DBZ math please, plain facts ok?
He was on Egp when he blitzed him. You asked for a scan of him blitzing someone during combat at light and Glads did it at close quarters and instantly. The Superman moon feat, Supes had to accelerate to pull that feat off, Glads didn't have to do that. Stop bringing Supes up, you know how Pr feels about that.
You truly don't know what Hyper speed is do you?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Near-light velocity while a planet is accoupied... honestly. You have to do better then this, this ain't no blitz, it's like Superman flying at nea light speed thorugh the moon, something you dismissed.So yes you have to show me a light speed blitz, against an opponent who shouldn't be a planet, for christ sake and it should be at light speed, not near it 😉.
I posted already every scan in our little discussion, now it's you turn to provide the proof of all your claims, like Glads Hyperspeed (movement, building) = trillion times the speed of light. And no DBZ math please, plain facts ok?
Why is this discussion happening? Manchester Black has had only ONE single fight and he could not even get a beat on Superman's location due to speed, nevertheless do anything about it, and Supes was going at Mach 7.
So again...why is this discussion even taking place?
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Near-light velocity while a planet is accoupied... honestly. You have to do better then this, this ain't no blitz, it's like Superman flying at nea light speed thorugh the moon, something you dismissed.So yes you have to show me a light speed blitz, against an opponent who shouldn't be a planet, for christ sake and it should be at light speed, not near it 😉.
I posted already every scan in our little discussion, now it's you turn to provide the proof of all your claims, like Glads Hyperspeed (movement, building) = trillion times the speed of light. And no DBZ math please, plain facts ok?
He was on Ego when he blitzed him. You asked for a scan of him blitzing someone during combat at light and Glads did it at close quarters and instantly. The Superman moon feat, Supes had to accelerate to pull that feat off, Glads didn't have to do that. Stop bringing Supes up, you know how Pr feels about that.
You truly don't know what Hyper speed is do you?
Originally posted by carver9
He was on Ego when he blitzed him. You asked for a scan of him blitzing someone during combat at light and Glads did it at close quarters and instantly. The Superman moon feat, Supes had to accelerate to pull that feat off, Glads didn't have to do that. Stop bringing Supes up, you know how Pr feels about that.You truly don't know what Hyper speed is do you?
facepalm
Maybe you should read your own scans. ^^
Originally posted by carver9
He was on Ego when he blitzed him. You asked for a scan of him blitzing someone during combat at light and Glads did it at close quarters and instantly. The Superman moon feat, Supes had to accelerate to pull that feat off, Glads didn't have to do that. Stop bringing Supes up, you know how Pr feels about that.You truly don't know what Hyper speed is do you?
irrelevent as that was non-canon..... so when has he blitzed anyone even close to c?
as per your request--i ALREADY showed you nate taking out AURORA AND NORTHSTAR (both near light-speedsters) with a tp blast MID-BLITZ. 😐
you keep asking for things and i keep showing you. let's recap, shall we:
--tp>lightspeed
--tp'er ko'd near lightspeedsters MID BLITZ
--cassie has made glads wet himself and even after he recovered he never blitzed her
--black has done things to clark no other tp'er has really done
--superman's will>>glad's
--glad's power is in direct relationship to his will/mental power
--SIMON WILLIAMS can'has reacted to a blitz from glads
--glads has never blitzed anyone at or even near lightspeed, so the whole 'he needs to be able to think/react at or greater than c' is a ridiculous argument
if you want to say 'yeah but none of those things were done by black!' i can respect that and have no legit reply. all's i'm saying is that the wealth of info says that high level tp'ers minds and ability to send/receive info is uber-fast. i see no reason again, if black knows who he is facing and where he is, that he couldn't react to a blitz from glads. your simon scan really hurt your argument in a lot of ways.
Originally posted by leonidas
irrelevent as that was non-canon..... so when has he blitzed anyone even close to c?as per your request--i ALREADY showed you nate taking out AURORA AND NORTHSTAR (both near light-speedsters) with a tp blast MID-BLITZ. 😐
you keep asking for things and i keep showing you. let's recap, shall we:
--tp>lightspeed
--tp'er ko'd near lightspeedsters MID BLITZ
--cassie has made glads wet himself and even after he recovered he never blitzed her
--black has done things to clark no other tp'er has really done
--superman's will>>glad's
--glad's power is in direct relationship to his will/mental power
--SIMON WILLIAMS can'has reacted to a blitz from glads
--glads has never blitzed anyone at or even near lightspeed, so the whole 'he needs to be able to think/react at or greater than c' is a ridiculous argumentif you want to say 'yeah but none of those things were done by black!' i can respect that and have no legit reply. all's i'm saying is that the wealth of info says that high level tp'ers minds and ability to send/receive info is uber-fast. i see no reason again, if black knows who he is facing and where he is, that he couldn't react to a blitz from glads. your simon scan really hurt your argument in a lot of ways.
So was Northstar and Aurora moving at light when they were attacked by a TP blast?
Originally posted by carver9
So was Northstar and Aurora moving at light when they were attacked by a TP blast?
who knows how fast they were traveling. as with almost all blitzes, it's unquantifiable. so, where's that scan that shows glads blitzing at lightspeed? without it, it doesn't matter how fast northstar and aurora were traveling....
Originally posted by leonidas
who knows how fast they were traveling. as with almost all blitzes, it's unquantifiable. so, where's that scan that shows glads blitzing at lightspeed? without it, it doesn't matter how fast northstar and aurora were traveling....
I already showed you him blitzing at near light (minus the ego showing). Go to the 3rd or 4th page.
Originally posted by carver9
I already showed you him blitzing at near light (minus the ego showing). Go to the 3rd or 4th page.
still don't know where. hope you're not talking about the lilandra scene. she SPOKE to him whiole he was blitzing. he got the jump on havok and a couple others, but the most impressive thing there was his ability to fight off the illusion. it did affect him for a while though. in THAT time, black would tk crush his brain.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah claremont was pretty lazy back then and lacked knowledge of x's powers. 😐btw, that same lazy writer created the source wall in that x-over. seems that part of the story at least made it's way into canon....
Originally posted by leonidas
still don't know where. hope you're not talking about the lilandra scene. she SPOKE to him whiole he was blitzing. he got the jump on havok and a couple others, but the most impressive thing there was his ability to fight off the illusion. it did affect him for a while though. in THAT time, black would tk crush his brain.
Here...
First of all, Superman wasn't blitzing them at Mach 7. What he lied about doing (as the end of the fight shows) was throw Coldcast at Mach 7 speeds into space, after he had already blitzed him and Manchester Black. Considering the height the atmosphere extends, it is virtually impossible to fly out of it and back nigh-instantly at only the speed of Mach 7 (Manchester Black gets to say "--mother. Craig?" before Superman gets back in his face) It'd take him much longer than that - so fair to say, Superman was going much faster, and then threw Coldcast into space at supersonic speed (as you may notice the line, "If you'd have super-hearing, you'd hear a pop in about 10 seconds"😉.
What we know about his actual shown blitzing speed was that they weren't even able to perceive him as moving to attack, and he did so while covering large distances, since he stood far off and picked them one by one. It's also fair to assume that he wasn't necessarilly in the mood to go easy on them by that point and, suffice to say, Superman is far faster than Gladiator in actual reaction/combat speed, so because he did it, doesn't mean Gladiator can.
Also worth noticing is that Manchester Black's brain attack came in the middle of Superman trying to attack him from a small distance, and he did it casually.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supermanvselite3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supermanvselite4.jpg
Meanwhile, the fights starts .5 km apart and Gladiator has to cover that distance before Manchester Black starts spreading illusions that fool Superman, takes him apart internally, telepathically and trashes the whole area with him. I give Gladiator the win as long as he goes for the heat vision right at the get go; the most impressive blitz that Gladiator has on-panel (without the narration going into 'nanosecond' type of hyperbolic statements) would be the one already posted, which I have to say doesn't make me believe he'd cover the distance before Manchester wouldn't be able to react, from .5 km away.
So this match mostly depends on what you think of Gladiator's capacity to nigh-instantly accelerate to a speedblitz level capable of killing somebody who is sitting .5 km away and can win the match once he forms a thought, and if so, how many times would he employ that, aswell as his heat vision.
Suffice to say, I'm standing on Manchester's side.
Originally posted by leonidasThats the problem Black cannot react to a blitz from Gladiator unless you can show him doing so.
if you want to say 'yeah but none of those things were done by black!' i can respect that and have no legit reply. all's i'm saying is that the wealth of info says that high level tp'ers minds and ability to send/receive info is uber-fast. i see no reason again, if black knows who he is facing and where he is, that he couldn't react to a blitz from glads. your simon scan really hurt your argument in a lot of ways.
Also Superman could have defeated Black easily if he was willing to put him down.
If Gladiator cannot put him down fast than he obviously looses but using feats from other telepaths doesn't prove anything.
