Originally posted by iceman24567
I don't need educating on Punisher i know enough about him to say Grayson kicks him until he shouts uncle. Grayson in both
Yes you do. Punisher tanks 1000 foot falls fallowed by being run over by cars and keeps fighting... last month he tanked a point blank grenade blast. Educate yourself.
Originally posted by srankmissingninGrayson bulled rushed Cyborg Superman aswell as took a full on shot from him iirc i guess he's far above Castle i like how you use high end feats and act like Frank can't be put down wanking is wanking is wanking i guess. Anybody less biased have anything to say?
Yes you do. Punisher tanks 1000 foot falls fallowed by being run over by cars and keeps fighting... last month he tanked a point blank grenade blast. Educate yourself.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Grayson bulled rushed Cyborg Superman aswell as took a full on shot from him iirc i guess he's far above Castle i like how you use high end feats and act like Frank can't be put down wanking is wanking is wanking i guess. Anybody less biased have anything to say?
Grayson never took a full on shot from Cyborg Superman, if he did, he'd be dead. Streets taking punches from Class 100s are unquantifiable, we don't know how much strength was behind the blow, or how clean it connected, what we do know is that if said character used even 1/10000 of their strength, the street would be a puddle of goo. However, a grenade is a grenade is a grenade, there are no variables that need to be considered. Frank is a sponge... that's who he is, and his damage soak completely and utterly eclipses Dicks. Dude's had his ribs blown clean out of his body by a shot gun and still fought for pages like it was nothing. Read Punisher comics, then come back.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou tell me to read a Punisher comic and you post this? 😆
Grayson never took a full on shot from Cyborg Superman, if he did, he'd be dead. Streets taking punches from Class 100s are unquantifiable, we don't know how much strength was behind the blow, or how clean it connected, what we do know is that if said character used even 1/10000 of their strength, the street would be a puddle of goo. However, a grenade is a grenade is a grenade, there are no variables that need to be considered. Frank is a sponge... that's who he is, and his damage soak completely and utterly eclipses Dicks. Dude's had his ribs blown clean out of his body by a shot gun and still fought for pages like it was nothing. Read Punisher comics, then come back.
Originally posted by srankmissingninFrank is faster? A better fighter? Smarter? Stronger possibly. Damage soak the Bats suit evens it out seems you don't read any comics if Frank is better in "virtually every single way" then again i know how you act when it comes to street levelers from both companies 😬
Frank in both scenarios. Punisher's gone the distance in fights with Daredevil half a dozen times and Matt is comfortably better than Dick across the board in virtually every single way. Grayson won't be taking the majority from Castle.
Originally posted by iceman24567
You tell me to read a Punisher comic and you post this? 😆
Frank is faster? A better fighter? Smarter? Stronger possibly. Damage soak the Bats suit evens it out seems you don't read any comics if Frank is better in "virtually every single way" then again i know how you act when it comes to street levelers from both companies 😬
Which part of "Matt is comfortably better than Dick across the board in virtually every single way," made you think I was talking about Punisher. Matt is Nightwing... if Nightwing was stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter and had super powers, and Frank's held his own against DD half a dozen times in some of the best street level fights in comic history. Dick can't beat Frank Castle.
The Batsuit is barely bullet proof, the damage soak it brings is nearly inconsequential.
Originally posted by srankmissingninSo by proxy Frank should beat Dick......nah Grayson wins
Which part of "Matt is comfortably better than Dick across the board in virtually every single way," made you think I was talking about Punisher. Matt is Nightwing... if Nightwing was stronger, faster, more skilled, smarter and had super powers, and Frank's held his own against DD half a dozen times in some of the best street level fights in comic history. Dick can't beat Frank Castle.The Batsuit is barely bullet proof, the damage soak it brings is nearly inconsequential.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Fighting but not winning? Nice you can stop posting to me anytime now.....
Punisher has beaten Daredevil several times, but most of the fights are stalemates. Hell, Matt has even said the only reason Frank doesn't pepper him with bullets is because he misses him on purpose.
Read Punisher comics.
Originally posted by srankmissingninLooks like you are giving Punisher the benefit of the doubt in a non comics book fight Frank isn't beating Matt or even pepper him with bullets thats just retarded despite the Superman esque wanking Daredevil sent towards Castle even Bullseye has trouble hitting Matt.
Punisher has beaten Daredevil several times, but most of the fights are stalemates. Hell, Matt has even said the only reason Frank doesn't pepper him with bullets is because he misses him on purpose.Read Punisher comics.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Looks like you are giving Punisher the benefit of the doubt in a non comics book fight Frank isn't beating Matt or even pepper him with bullets thats just retarded despite the Superman esque wanking Daredevil sent towards Castle even Bullseye has trouble hitting Matt.
Bullseye rarely comes at DD with automatic weaponry, if he did, he'd sent Matt to the grave. Nightwing is faster and more agile than Frank, but Frank has proven dozens of times that he is more than capable of dealing with and nullifying those advantages in a fight, and he has done so against characters who are even better in those areas that Grayson is. Dick simply doesn't have want it takes to beat Frank the majority of the time. He is a Winter Soldier or Black Widow threat, Punisher is in a different weight class, it would take the real Batman to take him down.
Originally posted by srankmissingninI disagree unless they are a short distance apart and in a open field Matt isn't getting peppered by Castle
Bullseye rarely comes at DD with automatic weaponry, if he did, he'd sent Matt to the grave. Nightwing is faster and more agile than Frank, but Frank has proven dozens of times that he is more than capable of dealing with and nullifying those advantages in a fight, and he has done so against characters who are even better in those areas that Grayson is. Dick simply doesn't have want it takes to beat Frank the majority of the time. He is a Winter Soldier or Black Widow threat, Punisher is in a different weight class, it would take the real Batman to take him down.