Frank castle VS dick grayson

Originally posted by iceman24567
I disagree unless they are a short distance apart and in a open field Matt isn't getting peppered by Castle

Castle can quick draw an entire room of armed thugs with head shots before they can get a shot off, and shoot the web slingers of Spider-man's wrists. If he wants to shoot someone, they get shot.

Dick in both. Wait, wait, that sounded wrong.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Castle can quick draw an entire room of armed thugs with head shots before they can get a shot off, and shoot the web slingers of Spider-man's wrists. If he wants to shoot someone, they get shot.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Dick in both. Wait, wait, that sounded wrong.

Don't worry, it didn't just sound wrong, it was wrong period. 😉

srank trying to act like he doesn't love Dick.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
lmao. Frank's damage soak is off the charts, we are talking about several orders of magnitudes above and beyond Dick on a logarithmic scale.

But Dick will win nonetheless.

Srank, have you ever picked the DC character when it's Marvel vs DC?

Originally posted by marwash22
Srank, have you ever picked the DC character when it's Marvel vs DC?

Yes, but only in fights they would actually win, which I'm sure sounds strange to you.

Originally posted by marwash22
Srank, have you ever picked the DC character when it's Marvel vs DC?

Maybe.

As long as it's Pre-Crisis Karate Kid and not the threeboot version.

I mean, Black Widow did good against Elektra, so you know she's better than everybody in the present DCU.

😂

Marvels streets are typically better than DCs. Which should be obviously to anyone who has any sort of experience reading comics from both companies, it is as clear cut as the fact that DC's big guns are operating on a much higher level of speed than the Marvel equivalents.

Or any other category, IMO. Not just speed, but I think DC's streets can hang with Marvel's overall. I see no overall superiority, and I used to mainly just read Marvel. So no biased here. Unless we're talking about Wildstorm. 😖hifty:

Grifter beats any street not named Deadpool or IF.

He just stalemates them.

Originally posted by Mindset
Grifter beats any street not named Deadpool or IF.

He just stalemates them.

👆

Wildstorm Super Soldiers > Marvels, IMO.

I think I still have my Grifter action figure from when they had a cartoon. 🙂

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Or any other category, IMO. Not just speed, but I think DC's streets can hang with Marvel's overall. I see no overall superiority, and I used to mainly just read Marvel. So no biased here. Unless we're talking about Wildstorm. 😖hifty:

Strength and durability is more or less the same across both companies, but that is besides the point. In DC the street skill level cap is cut off at slightly above Batman, the Marvel equivalent would be a skill cap at slightly above Daredevil... and that simple isn't the case. Marvel has character's that operate above those levels (some well, well, WELL beyond) because they simply have more diverse and expansive street level pantheon, and they are happy to let a variety of character's have some spot light, while DC has everything anchored firmly to the Batman franchise. Shiva or Dragon are never going to get a Iron Fist, or even a Shang-Chi or Electra power boost because it would make them too much for Batman. It's the same reason Marvel's big guns don't have FTL combat speed because it would make them too much for the Hulk. It's not a complicated situation, the truth and the rationale behind it is pretty straight forward... sadly Batman fanboys can't be objective or impartial.

Wildstorm is just awesome. RIP

I agree with your second statement, most of DC martial artists have no business hanging with guys like IF.

Frank ain't nearly one of those exceptions.

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with your second statement, most of DC martial artists have no business hanging with guys like IF.

Frank ain't nearly one of those exceptions.

Frank has spent his career fighting the best Marvel has to offer. He has wins over Cap, Wolverine and Daredevil, alternatively Dick as been stomped by virtually any martial artist worth their own body weight. Punisher has more than half a dozen close fights with Daredevil under his belts, and DD is for all intensive purposes a faster and more agile Batman analog... but Frank can't beat Batman's protege? A protege that Batman can effortlessly tool? You must not think very much of Frank Castle.

You're forgetting all the Karate Kid's that existed. Most of those can hang with Shang or Iron Fist, IMO.

Wildstorm is just awesome. RIP

😱 I didn't know you felt that way. Grail is the most awesome Chi user in comics.