Akuma vs. Shao Kahn

MK 2011 story mode give us two feats from chars: Shang Tsung destroying an helicopter with one fireball, and Scorpion burning a man to ash.

However canon endings from Street Fighter show us far greater feats.

Some endings in Street Fighter DON'T override any common sense. In SF verse top fighters can simply be THAT powerful, due to training or technology (for chars like Juri and Seth).

I like both Street Fighters and Mortal Kombat, but I've no problem saying that looking at feats and storyline, MK top fighters aren't a match for top SF ones.

Keep in mind how Akuma never goes all out on opponents.

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
MK 2011 story mode give us two feats from chars: Shang Tsung destroying an helicopter with one fireball, and Scorpion burning a man to ash.

However canon endings from Street Fighter show us far greater feats.

Some endings in Street Fighter DON'T override any common sense. In SF verse top fighters can simply be THAT powerful, due to training or technology (for chars like Juri and Seth).

I like both Street Fighters and Mortal Kombat, but I've no problem saying that looking at feats and storyline, MK top fighters aren't a match for top SF ones.

So destroying an island means Dhalsim's durability is that of an island ?

Not Dhalsim's durability, since canonwise he never fought Gouki.

I'm talking about Ryu's durability, since is Ryu who fought Gouki in SF Alpha 2.

And about the "soul stealing - easy victory" you forget that in SF verse there's a thing called "Shun Goku Satsu", wich attacks and destroys both the body and the souls. And chars with an high spiritual power, like Gen and Gouken, managed to survive the attack. Since even Gouki is very strong, spiritual - wise, he can resist a soul stealing magic with ease.

And seriously... Strong animals like bears or gorillas can rip a man arm, but no being on Earth has the physical strenght to destroy an island.

Island busting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm ripping.

With the powers the SF top fighters bring to bear it's no wonder they easily dominate the best Mortal Kombat has to offer.

Boulder lifting > arm ripping.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Proof the ending is canon ?

The very fact that thet event is required to move the plot forward.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How does Akuma stop him from just stealing his soul ? Screw his consistent portrayal right.

Because we all know Kahn can just pluck a fighters soul out of thin air at any time, reguardless of wether or not he actually has to fight said opponent first, amirite?

here's a question then, when has Shao Kahn actually simply plucket the sul of a fighter without fighting them first?

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
Not Dhalsim's durability, since canonwise he never fought Gouki.

I'm talking about Ryu's durability, since is Ryu who fought Gouki in SF Alpha 2.

And about the "soul stealing - easy victory" you forget that in SF verse there's a thing called "Shun Goku Satsu", wich attacks and destroys both the body and the souls. And chars with an high spiritual power, like Gen and Gouken, managed to survive the attack. Since even Gouki is very strong, spiritual - wise, he can resist a soul stealing magic with ease.

And seriously... Strong animals like bears or gorillas can rip a man arm, but no being on Earth has the physical strenght to destroy an island.

Island busting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm ripping.

With the powers the SF top fighters bring to bear it's no wonder they easily dominate the best Mortal Kombat has to offer.

The street fighter characters can't even kill each other yet somehow they kill mk fighters who have always had the power to kill an dtear people limb from limb consistently. Always.

Best you can hope for is a ko, lol. Shao Kahn steals akuma's soul or rips him in half. Take your pick.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The very fact that thet event is required to move the plot forward.

Because we all know Kahn can just pluck a fighters soul out of thin air at any time, reguardless of wether or not he actually has to fight said opponent first, amirite?

here's a question then, when has Shao Kahn actually simply plucket the sul of a fighter without fighting them first?

It's his power and we see him do it so by the island destroying logic it most certainly counts. LOL. You thinking by the same logic only akuma's feats count.

In mk 9. Ermac can also destroy people's arms by tk. Mk's fighters are just too powerful, too strong, and consistently shown or portrayed with strength killing power while street fighter is just capable of koing a guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Proof the ending is canon ?

So street fighter sets up a game where a certain character can destroy an island but the portrayal makes it clear that every character you fight against can take island shattering punches since you can't oneshot anyone in the game. That's your stance.

How does Akuma stop him from just stealing his soul ?

Screw his consistent portrayal right.

Ripping guys arms off shows insane strength but I guess in street fighter a certain ending overrides all common sense and their portrayals over the course of every single game, right ?

2. By your logic Dan is capable of beating Akuma. He is not. Gameplay and story segregation. Akuma has only had any kind of trouble with Oro and Gouken, both god-tier in SF. Oro at one point in SFIII effortlessly one-shots Ryu IIRC.

3. Gouki's soul is powerful, the way the Shun Goku no Satsu works is it destroys both the user and the victim's souls, essentially. Akuma's soul is so powerful it cannot be touched by it.

4. Well let's see, consistently he has been portrayed as being easily one of the strongest characters in the series, only Oro, Gouken, Gill, and Shin Bison being at or near his level. He consistently has good feats, destroying islands, splitting mountains, kicking sunken ships in half while simultaneously destroying a submarine with the shockwave and jumping from the bottom of an ocean trench to the surface in a few seconds, fighting Gouken inside a volcano, vaporising a forest with a burst of Ki, and when fighting Gouken leveling mountains with barrages of Hadoukens, they themselves were not injured much, if at all. So consistent portrayal says he is very strong.

5. In almost all of Gouki's endings he does something like what I named. And he consistently cannot be challenged at all by the rest of the cast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Even if you believe all of this which is false since Ken, dhalsim, etc. aren't anywhere near more durable than an island how does Akuma stop Shao Kahn from taking his soul "

I mean since you played the game all the way through you shoul dbe well aware of this.
Yep, every street fighter character is more durable than an island Dhalsim included. Good one.

2. Why are you talking about Dhalsim like he is weak, first of all? He is one of the stronger characters in the series, at or above Ryu in fact. Though nowhere near as strong as Gouki, who has shown to be consistently much stronger than Ryu while Gouki is holding back... In base form. He has two forms beyond even that, the only feat Shin Akuma has is destroying a meteor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You forgot about shao kahn easily stealing someone's soul and ermac easily destroying both of Jax's arms. With the powers the mk fighters bring to bear it's no wonder they easily dominate the best street fighter has to offer.

So destroying an island means Dhalsim's durability is that of an island ?

2. Dhalsim has never been punched by Akuma. Get that through your head babe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The destroying an island thing doesn't match up with how he is portrayed in the game. I don't care if he hasn't canonically met up with Dhalsim the game makes it clear all of these fighters can hurt or be hurt by each other. A video where an amped sindel destroys the mk fighters doesn't mean she can't be hurt in the game by any it just means she is pretty skilled and pretty powerful.

The street fighter characters can't even kill each other yet somehow they kill mk fighters who have always had the power to kill an dtear people limb from limb consistently. Always.

Best you can hope for is a ko, lol. Shao Kahn steals akuma's soul or rips him in half. Take your pick.

So there's no proof it's canon because if we take all endings as legit mk still takes this hands down due to collateral damage.

It's his power and we see him do it so by the island destroying logic it most certainly counts. LOL. You thinking by the same logic only akuma's feats count.

In mk 9. Ermac can also destroy people's arms by tk. Mk's fighters are just too powerful, too strong, and consistently shown or portrayed with strength killing power while street fighter is just capable of koing a guy.

2. ... Uhuh. Only Akuma HAS killed people, he killed his master Goutetsu, he killed Bison and Gill, one-shotting them. IIRC at some point he kills Adon. Ryu CHOOSES not to kill people, most of the fighters CHOOSE not to kill people. Part of Balrog's backstory is killing a boxer in the ring. They CAN kill people, some of them just choose not to. Are you implying the Street Fighter characters are actually incapable of killing people? Are you saying that Ryu, with his ability to train by holding up huge boulders, stated IIRC to be as heavy as a tank, would be unable to physically kill a human being? But most importantly Quan, are you an idiot?

3. Akuma. Has. Killed. People. Stop using gameplay mechanics. Stop being butthurt Quan. Your butthurt is showing.

4. Collateral damage?

5. Either stop trolling, or stop exposing decent people on the internet to your stupidity. Get over yourself.

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Until I see Shao doing this or a Island sinking attack he loses, not to mention Akuma has a ability to send his opponent's soul to hell.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Well it being mentioned later in the series for one. Akuma's endings do not clash with any other ending, they are stand-alone, and are representative of the character's abilities.

2. By your logic Dan is capable of beating Akuma. He is not. Gameplay and story segregation. Akuma has only had any kind of trouble with Oro and Gouken, both god-tier in SF. Oro at one point in SFIII effortlessly one-shots Ryu IIRC.

3. Gouki's soul is powerful, the way the Shun Goku no Satsu works is it destroys both the user and the victim's souls, essentially. Akuma's soul is so powerful it cannot be touched by it.

4. Well let's see, consistently he has been portrayed as being easily one of the strongest characters in the series, only Oro, Gouken, Gill, and Shin Bison being at or near his level. He consistently has good feats, destroying islands, splitting mountains, kicking sunken ships in half while simultaneously destroying a submarine with the shockwave and jumping from the bottom of an ocean trench to the surface in a few seconds, fighting Gouken inside a volcano, vaporising a forest with a burst of Ki, and when fighting Gouken leveling mountains with barrages of Hadoukens, they themselves were not injured much, if at all. So consistent portrayal says he is very strong.

5. In almost all of Gouki's endings he does something like what I named. And he consistently cannot be challenged at all by the rest of the cast.

1. Neither have ever fought Akuma, get some cream for that butthurt man, God. Already explained why soul-taking will not work.

2. Why are you talking about Dhalsim like he is weak, first of all? He is one of the stronger characters in the series, at or above Ryu in fact. Though nowhere near as strong as Gouki, who has shown to be consistently much stronger than Ryu while Gouki is holding back... In base form. He has two forms beyond even that, the only feat Shin Akuma has is destroying a meteor.

1. But he cannot steal Akuma's. Destroying Jax's arms? WOW GAI NO WAY only Charlie has better feats than that, cutting a cliff in half with a Flash Kick. Charlie, though fairly strong, does not begin to compare to the top dogs of Street Fighter. Are you trolling? Because citing feats like those and then saying they enable them to easily defeat the best of SF, mostly talking about Ermac, makes you either a troll, or just an idiot. Which is it, Quanny ol' boy?

2. Dhalsim has never been punched by Akuma. Get that through your head babe.

1. Your butthurt man, it is growing, you need to remedy it quickly. "I don't care if he hasn't canonically met up with Dhalsim" No. Stop right there. That exposes you as a biased fool of the worst kind, canonically, Dhalsim has never met Akuma. Gameplay mechanics, like Dan being able to conceivably pose a threat to Akuma or Bison, are not valid. And you are right, that does not mean she cannot be hurt by them... Because the feat you just described is not a durability feat. However, it DOES mean she can beat all the fighters she beat, since she, you know, did.

2. ... Uhuh. Only Akuma HAS killed people, he killed his master Goutetsu, he killed Bison and Gill, one-shotting them. IIRC at some point he kills Adon. Ryu CHOOSES not to kill people, most of the fighters CHOOSE not to kill people. Part of Balrog's backstory is killing a boxer in the ring. They CAN kill people, some of them just choose not to. Are you implying the Street Fighter characters are actually incapable of killing people? Are you saying that Ryu, with his ability to train by holding up huge boulders, stated IIRC to be as heavy as a tank, would be unable to physically kill a human being? But most importantly Quan, are you an idiot?

3. Akuma. Has. Killed. People. Stop using gameplay mechanics. Stop being butthurt Quan. Your butthurt is showing.

4. Collateral damage?

5. Either stop trolling, or stop exposing decent people on the internet to your stupidity. Get over yourself.

Shao Kahn's powers, canon story, and endings all count as well then. His implied power is enough to defeat Raiden for good a god previously shown the ability to survive self destruction. Yeah, eat that street fighter.

2.No, I don't think Dan can beat Akuma because of Akuma's skill not because Dan can't hurt him. Try and actually understand my points before you embarrass yourself the next time. I am big on portrayal while you are big on blowing up feats and disregarding everything else.

3. So this doesn't apply to Shao Kahn. The same tactic isn't used by Shao Kahn and the mk verse doesn't work that way. He just takes his soul he doesn't have to destroy it he'd either amp himself or someone else.

4.I never doubted he is consistently strong/skilled in his own universe which is separate than the mk one. Shao Kahn is also consistently shown as one huge badass. Take the armageddon opening. He just starts chucking people with his hammer like ragdolls. Also take a look at this game where he easily steals shang's soul who himself has power over souls, easily snaps Kung Lao's neck, and dominated Raiden to set all these crazy events into motion in the first place.

5.Ryu is a challenge for him. He might be one of the upper guys but he isn't in a class by himself.

1.You claimed his soul cannot be destroyed but shao kahn isn't destroying his soul. Do you understand the difference, guy ?

2.Dhalsim's body is frail and weaker than Ryu's body. Just look at it and look how you have to fight when you pick him. He's a ranged fighter. His body isn't in great shape compared to most of the others it's visually quite obvious. So you believe Akuma holds back here ? Great, make it even easier on Shao Kahn. So even by your own standards he won't attack a fellow fighter the same way he would a meteor or an island. You still haven't proven any of this is canon.

1. Why can't he steal Akuma's again ? You claimed he can't destroy it but never offered any proof as to him resisting a soul steal.

Just citing a character from the mk universe can do so with tk so Guile won't be able to hit anyone with a flash kick. Prove it's canon also.

2.You can select Akuma and Dhalsim. Akuma doesn't oneshot him in the game nor is he portrayed in a movie as doing so. The game makes it clear who is at the upper echelon but also makes it clear through gameplay each has the strength to hurt each other with varying skill/techniques.

1.Not butthurt just pointing out portrayals and the actual game. You thinking these guys can't hurt Akuma contradicts every street fighter game ever released and it's further evident by you screaming they have never met but dismissing the actual game in lieu of your own personal obsession with Akuma.

2. When ? Proof ? I am saying it's possible sure but for the most part it's koing characters whereas Mk characters don't just kill they rip your arms off, punch your head off, etc. That's the difference between dying in a coma or being punched to death and being torn in half. Boom.

3.Not as impressively as the mk characters have hence the point.

4.Destroying an island is collateral damage.

5. Concession accepted.
When ? Proof ? Shao Kahn has as has every mk character shown the ability to do so.

Originally posted by Phanteros

and this
YouTube video

Until I see Shao doing this or a Island sinking attack he loses, not to mention Akuma has a ability to send his opponent's soul to hell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So every characters ending for both series is within their abilities ? This just made my life ten times easier. Do you realize how many endings Shao Kahn actually lives despite being killed and either taking your character or coming back at a later time.

Your an idiot... Where did anyone say All endings are used, even non-canon ones? Except for the Meteor, all the endings thus far have been official.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.When was it mentioned later in the series ? Care to prove it ? The funny thing is you claim I am butthurt but your desperation knows no limits.

It was used as a major Alpha 2 plotpoint, where Ryu discouvered the truth about Satsui No Hadou. It was this event that began his quest too let it go.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shao Kahn's powers, canon story, and endings all count as well then. His implied power is enough to defeat Raiden for good a god previously shown the ability to survive self destruction. Yeah, eat that street fighter.

No, they do not. The difference is that every ending refferenced has officially happened. MK's storyline only has one canon chain of events. Raiden being a god has no bearing on his combat capabilities Quan, titles don;t mean anything without the proven abilities to back it up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.No, I don't think Dan can beat Akuma because of Akuma's skill not because Dan can't hurt him. Try and actually understand my points before you embarrass yourself the next time. I am big on portrayal while you are big on blowing up feats and disregarding everything else.

Portrayal is only part of the equasion, as are feats. Dan literally can't hurt anyone in SF really. He gets crushed by everyone around him, even the lowest tiers. The only thing Dan has going for him is survivability, the fact that he has survived so many crushing defeats without dying is a true testament to his durability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
3. So this doesn't apply to Shao Kahn. The same tactic isn't used by Shao Kahn and the mk verse doesn't work that way. He just takes his soul he doesn't have to destroy it he'd either amp himself or someone else.

Right, because he has been shown to do this.... when exactly? and against whom? If you refference MK3's mass civilian soul stealing I will laugh my ass off in your face...

Originally posted by quanchi112
4.I never doubted he is consistently strong/skilled in his own universe which is separate than the mk one. Shao Kahn is also consistently shown as one huge badass. Take the armageddon opening. He just starts chucking people with his hammer like ragdolls. Also take a look at this game where he easily steals shang's soul who himself has power over souls, easily snaps Kung Lao's neck, and dominated Raiden to set all these crazy events into motion in the first place.

And yet he gets plucked away like a chicken feather by Onaga... Another character who couldn't match Gouki's more destructive capabilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
5.Ryu is a challenge for him. He might be one of the upper guys but he isn't in a class by himself.

Ryu only ever defeated Gouki when he was testing Ryu, A non-serious base form Gouki... Really Quan, your reaching really hard here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.You claimed his soul cannot be destroyed but shao kahn isn't destroying his soul. Do you understand the difference, guy ?

do you understand that the differences your trying to imply are completely irrelevant? Kahn is trying to remove the soul of someone who has resisted soul manipulation on a far harsher scale.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.Dhalsim's body is frail and weaker than Ryu's body. Just look at it and look how you have to fight when you pick him. He's a ranged fighter. His body isn't in great shape compared to most of the others it's visually quite obvious. So you believe Akuma holds back here ? Great, make it even easier on Shao Kahn. So even by your own standards he won't attack a fellow fighter the same way he would a meteor or an island. You still haven't proven any of this is canon.

Do you read what is written before your eyes? They both said that Dhalsim has never fought Gouki, which is correct. So, your basing your analysis on how Dhalsim looks? Whats that got to do withthe dude's actual fighting capability? Here's an example: A frail looking little girl walks up to you, and you would not think she could harm a fly even if it was wingless and legless. The, all of a sudden you find yourself thrown back 25 feet due to the psionic shockwave she just hit you with. Thats what it's going to be like fighting Dhalsim. You are not trying to palm over an unsolicited advantage are you? Where does it say that Akuma would hold back for this thread? Thats the point of tall this, almost every one of his feats are done with less than half his total strength, meanwhile, Kahn, who has not a feat to match anything Gouki has done, has been close to death on MANY occasions. Oh, and the Island feat was done by base Gouki IE: still holding back the lions share of his power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Why can't he steal Akuma's again ? You claimed he can't destroy it but never offered any proof as to him resisting a soul steal.

Because he resists the soul destroying power of his own Shun Goku Satsu numerous times, which has been stated to fell both attacker and victim simultaneously when it has been used. All previous practitioners of the technique have dide from using it only once. Gouki not only survived his first use of it, but has used it numerous times, and has even strengthened the technique by using even more of his killing power. You tell me why that should not qualify him as resistant to soul manipulation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just citing a character from the mk universe can do so with tk so Guile won't be able to hit anyone with a flash kick. Prove it's canon also.

Why not? All the MK characters have been hit by far slower attacks, and the point being raised is that the strength of ripping someones limbs off is a far cry from potential battlefield damaging attacks.

Your use of the term "Prove it" is quickly becoming a crutch that proves you have done no research whatsoever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2.You can select Akuma and Dhalsim. Akuma doesn't oneshot him in the game nor is he portrayed in a movie as doing so. The game makes it clear who is at the upper echelon but also makes it clear through gameplay each has the strength to hurt each other with varying skill/techniques.

The inherent flaw in your logic is that your relying on GAMEPLAY... I need not say anything more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Not butthurt just pointing out portrayals and the actual game. You thinking these guys can't hurt Akuma contradicts every street fighter game ever released and it's further evident by you screaming they have never met but dismissing the actual game in lieu of your own personal obsession with Akuma.

There is a massive difference bitween that and what was actually said. The fact is, your trying to introduce gameplay elements to try and disprove a well established fact; Akuma, even when in base form and was testing Ryu, was able to sink an island with a punch. Now, with that feat alone, we can say that Akuma CAN throw multi double digit megatonne psi level punches, and nobody in MK has the capability to resist that much force, it turns people into a fine red mist.

Originally posted by quanchi112
2. When ? Proof ? I am saying it's possible sure but for the most part it's koing characters whereas Mk characters don't just kill they rip your arms off, punch your head off, etc. That's the difference between dying in a coma or being punched to death and being torn in half. Boom.

All that could mean is that MK characters are highly succeptible to injury. I say this because SF has characters that resist Island Sinking physical blows, and nobody in MK has a feat that comes anywhere near that level of destruction for a purely physical attack. You can raise all the reality fuggery all you like, but when it comes down to a one on one battle, this is what counts the most.

Originally posted by quanchi112
3.Not as impressively as the mk characters have hence the point.

flashiness is hardly a substitute. You have to prove Kahn will get Gouki anywhere near that depleted before he can use a fatality, and since Kahn has lost to "mere mortals" with thess than a 50th of Gouki's strength, why should it be assumed that Kahn can overcome Gouki? Instawin fatalities dont exist in MK going by your ingame bastardisation of this thread, but Gouki can pull off a SGS at any moment.

Originally posted by quanchi112
4.Destroying an island is collateral damage.

Caused by what? Oh, thats right. Gouki sunk it with his fist. Deliberately. Yeah, the collateral payout to Gouki's bank account due to house insurance is going to be huge.

Originally posted by quanchi112
5. Concession accepted.
When ? Proof ? Shao Kahn has as has every mk character shown the ability to do so.

Concession? Bullshit.

Goutetsu was killed by Akuma, Gouken was comatosed for YEARS by the SGS, Bison has killed dozens of people canonically. As has Gen. The ability to kill is not nessisarily a representation of fighting cabability Wuan, thats kinda the whole point behind Ryu's quest to reject the Satsui No Hadou. If you want to guage a versus purely by killcounts, then Duke Nukem retroatively wins by killing every man alive through time. He has the bodycount nobody can touch. There ya go, by Quan logic, I have just singlehandedly one every versus thread that has ever and will ever be made, retroactively!

See what happens when you apply your Bizzaro Quan Logic?

You get $h!t.

Shao Kahn was beaten by Liu Kang... that pretty much just nets him the lost there.... 🙁

Lol at Phanteros still using the comet feat.

akuma smash him but if its against ultimate Shao kahn ( the one who defeated blaze) it'd another story...

We don't know the truly extent of "uber Shao Kahn" powers.

However since MK 2011 reboot Shao Kahn would never win the Armageddon and take the power of Blaze.

@ quanchi112: If you think that the island destruction truly is "collateral damage", that means that Gouki's fits is even more powerful, not weaker.

And I repeat even here, quanchi112: all those "proof?" only proves that you don't know about anything about SF verse, so don't be upset if people that "did the research" tell you that Gouki, Ryu, etc. are far more powerful canonwise than they're shown gameplaywise.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your an idiot...

You haven't seen much of Quanchi haven't you?

It is common knowledge, on par with Superman's weakness being kryptonite, that he can be that.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your an idiot... Where did anyone say All endings are used, even non-canon ones? Except for the Meteor, all the endings thus far have been official.