Akuma vs. Shao Kahn

Started by Ban Mido14 pages

Idk why everyone is arguing, it's so obvious Shao Kahn wins. I mean come on, he would crush Ingrid like she was nothing...LOL okay seriously though no I see Akuma taking this. If you don't take game mechanics into it (cause let's face it, if they made it so Akuma actually used all his strength and one shotted everyone..that would make for a terrible..terrible game 😐..Dans attacks wouldn't even register rofl) and look at the actual feats from the canon endings it becomes quite clear. I just have never viewed MK characters as all that powerful compared to other fighting games O_O...

Maybe it's just me...I mean I've seen people argue that MK characters can hang with high tier Dark Stalker characters(Pyron,Jedah,Dimitri, etc. etc.)..and..well... 😐....everyone has a right to their opinion...as wrong as I may think they are -_-;..

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Darkstorm used to never insult lol. What happened?

I've noticed quanchi112 has that effect on a lot of people.

Anyways, Akuma wins.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Darkstorm used to never insult lol. What happened?

When the evil fanboys cannot be argued with, cannot be reasoned with, cannot feal pity or remorse or fear and absolutely will not stop ever, it's time to burn them with fire.

and thats when they receive the:

I always wondered if that pic was photo shopped.

It probably is, I dunno, since I didn't make it. But, it is apt for this.

Originally posted by Ban Mido
If you don't take game mechanics into it (cause let's face it, if they made it so Akuma actually used all his strength and one shotted everyone..that would make for a terrible..terrible game 😐..Dans attacks wouldn't even register rofl) and look at the actual feats from the canon endings it becomes quite clear. I just have never viewed MK characters as all that powerful compared to other fighting games O_O...

Mortal Kombat is one of my favourite fighting games, but I agree too that, despite the violence, the sorcery, etc. MK chars are not so powerful, compared to other fighting games' char.

For example, in MKD intro, Raiden did that explosion (capable of killing Shang Tsung) with a self sacrifice. Looking at the size of the explosion, it was quite a feat, but freakin' Chun Li (wich is a good fighter, but certainly not the strongest SF char) can create an explosion of similar size and power with her Kikosho, without the need of do a self sacrifice (and that Kikosho just damaged Dictator, not killed him).

Wait, since when could Chun-Li make that kind of explosion?

That's the SF 4 anime preview.

http://youtu.be/T51U8uQFrQo

At 0.52 behold the "big Kikosho of doom". And that is from Chun Li, a char more known for her agility and speed than for her raw power.

Gameplay-wise SF special moves are not that "massive", or else the game would have been full of full screen attacks. And if Guile's Sonic Boom would travel at more than mach 1, how could someone jump, avoid or counter it in the gameplay?

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
That's the SF 4 anime preview.

http://youtu.be/T51U8uQFrQo

At 0.52 behold the "big Kikosho of doom". And that is from Chun Li, a char more known for her agility and speed than for her raw power.

Gameplay-wise SF special moves are not that "massive", or else the game would have been full of full screen attacks. And if Guile's Sonic Boom would travel at more than mach 1, how could someone jump, avoid or counter it in the gameplay?

I love how the first comment on the video is "Dude, movies aren't part of the canon. Everybody knows that."

That explosion is definitely not on the same level as Raiden's. Raiden's explosion took incinerated the whole tomb while that Chun-Li's just made a crater.

Hmm, Raiden's also left a crater, whats the difference?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I love how the first comment on the video is "Dude, movies aren't part of the canon. Everybody knows that."

And I love how another comment is

"The animated ones for SFIV are."
"Hell, SSFIV repeatedly references the Juri movie."

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hmm, Raiden's also left a crater, whats the difference?

That's just it; Chun-Li's left a crater. Raiden's, however, not only did that but destroyed that whole area and it's surroundings and that area is pretty big too.

Akuma does much more than that casually, lol.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I love how the first comment on the video is "Dude, movies aren't part of the canon. Everybody knows that."

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
And I love how another comment is

"The animated ones for SFIV are."
"Hell, SSFIV repeatedly references the Juri movie."

😆

Unfortunately, "investigate" and "research" are not in most peoples vocabulary around here.

Meh.. I was just pointing out something that I thought was kinda funny. If I was going to debate SF, I'd do my research.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I've noticed quanchi112 has that effect on a lot of people.

Anyways, Akuma wins.

He's fun, he's cool.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
When the evil fanboys cannot be argued with, cannot be reasoned with, cannot feal pity or remorse or fear and absolutely will not stop ever, it's time to burn them with fire.

and thats when they receive the:

Now you see where I was coming from.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your an idiot... Where did anyone say All endings are used, even non-canon ones? Except for the Meteor, all the endings thus far have been official.
It's you're an idiot so please the next time you think of insulting someone's intelligence please at least spell the word correctly. You have no proof this is canon for Akuma either. That's the point just because a few people claim it's canon without proof you have nothing.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It was used as a major Alpha 2 plotpoint, where Ryu discouvered the truth about Satsui No Hadou. It was this event that began his quest too let it go.

No, they do not. The difference is that every ending refferenced has officially happened. MK's storyline only has one canon chain of events. Raiden being a god has no bearing on his combat capabilities Quan, titles don;t mean anything without the proven abilities to back it up.

Portrayal is only part of the equasion, as are feats. Dan literally can't hurt anyone in SF really. He gets crushed by everyone around him, even the lowest tiers. The only thing Dan has going for him is survivability, the fact that he has survived so many crushing defeats without dying is a true testament to his durability.

Right, because he has been shown to do this.... when exactly? and against whom? If you refference MK3's mass civilian soul stealing I will laugh my ass off in your face...

And yet he gets plucked away like a chicken feather by Onaga... Another character who couldn't match Gouki's more destructive capabilities.

Ryu only ever defeated Gouki when he was testing Ryu, A non-serious base form Gouki... Really Quan, your reaching really hard here.

do you understand that the differences your trying to imply are completely irrelevant? Kahn is trying to remove the soul of someone who has resisted soul manipulation on a far harsher scale.

Do you read what is written before your eyes? They both said that Dhalsim has never fought Gouki, which is correct. So, your basing your analysis on how Dhalsim looks? Whats that got to do withthe dude's actual fighting capability? Here's an example: A frail looking little girl walks up to you, and you would not think she could harm a fly even if it was wingless and legless. The, all of a sudden you find yourself thrown back 25 feet due to the psionic shockwave she just hit you with. Thats what it's going to be like fighting Dhalsim. You are not trying to palm over an unsolicited advantage are you? Where does it say that Akuma would hold back for this thread? Thats the point of tall this, almost every one of his feats are done with less than half his total strength, meanwhile, Kahn, who has not a feat to match anything Gouki has done, has been close to death on MANY occasions. Oh, and the Island feat was done by base Gouki IE: still holding back the lions share of his power.

Because he resists the soul destroying power of his own Shun Goku Satsu numerous times, which has been stated to fell both attacker and victim simultaneously when it has been used. All previous practitioners of the technique have dide from using it only once. Gouki not only survived his first use of it, but has used it numerous times, and has even strengthened the technique by using even more of his killing power. You tell me why that should not qualify him as resistant to soul manipulation.

Then prove it's canon not that it's a major plot point.

Raiden has backed it up since he died with a huge self destructive blast before and come back. That's called being a badass and backing it up. He can''t permanently die but then again Shao Kahn did so after the events of mk armaggedon.

Dan can still hurt them all. Dan isn't skilled enough to score the wins but every character in both games can hurt each other. That doesn't mean there aren't more skilled or more powerful fighters though.

Shao stole shang tsung's soul and power. Boom.

Onaga is another badass from Mk. He's the original ruler of outworld. Shao Kahn obviously survived and won this battle so who cares if Onaga flew behind him while fighting Shang Tsung and carried him off. LOL. Worst argument. Ever.

Ryu is a challenge which is my point. Akuma's rival is Ryu. Do you know what rival means ? I didn't say Ryu dominates him I said he's a challenge which he definitely is. LOL.

Kahn has different powers than the street fighter characters. Magic seems a lot more powerful than anything in street fighter since their magic can merge the entire world and remove souls from the most of the population. Taking Shang's soul whose power is over souls/stealing/adding theirs to his own power shows how uber Shao's magic is.

Not meeting dhalsim doesn't mean he craps all over dhalsim and gameplay shows you dhalsim has the power to hurt Akuma. It's obvious anyways as all the world's greatest fighters can hurt each other. To suggest they cannot is living in an alice in wonderland fantasyland.

The attack is completely different than Shao Kahn stealing your soul.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why not? All the MK characters have been hit by far slower attacks, and the point being raised is that the strength of ripping someones limbs off is a far cry from potential battlefield damaging attacks.

Your use of the term "Prove it" is quickly becoming a crutch that proves you have done no research whatsoever.

The inherent flaw in your logic is that your relying on GAMEPLAY... I need not say anything more.

There is a massive difference bitween that and what was actually said. The fact is, your trying to introduce gameplay elements to try and disprove a well established fact; Akuma, even when in base form and was testing Ryu, was able to sink an island with a punch. Now, with that feat alone, we can say that Akuma CAN throw multi double digit megatonne psi level punches, and nobody in MK has the capability to resist that much force, it turns people into a fine red mist.

All that could mean is that MK characters are highly succeptible to injury. I say this because SF has characters that resist Island Sinking physical blows, and nobody in MK has a feat that comes anywhere near that level of destruction for a purely physical attack. You can raise all the reality fuggery all you like, but when it comes down to a one on one battle, this is what counts the most.

flashiness is hardly a substitute. You have to prove Kahn will get Gouki anywhere near that depleted before he can use a fatality, and since Kahn has lost to "mere mortals" with thess than a 50th of Gouki's strength, why should it be assumed that Kahn can overcome Gouki? Instawin fatalities dont exist in MK going by your ingame bastardisation of this thread, but Gouki can pull off a SGS at any moment.

Caused by what? Oh, thats right. Gouki sunk it with his fist. Deliberately. Yeah, the collateral payout to Gouki's bank account due to house insurance is going to be huge.

Concession? Bullshit.

Goutetsu was killed by Akuma, Gouken was comatosed for YEARS by the SGS, Bison has killed dozens of people canonically. As has Gen. The ability to kill is not nessisarily a representation of fighting cabability Wuan, thats kinda the whole point behind Ryu's quest to reject the Satsui No Hadou. If you want to guage a versus purely by killcounts, then Duke Nukem retroatively wins by killing every man alive through time. He has the bodycount nobody can touch. There ya go, by Quan logic, I have just singlehandedly one every versus thread that has ever and will ever be made, retroactively!

See what happens when you apply your Bizzaro Quan Logic?

You get $h!t.

The collateral damage doesn't add up and hasn't been proven canon anyways. It's also outside the norm and against his character since he rarely goes all out. So either way even if you believe he's capable of such power which he isn't he won't do so anyways.

You said something is canon but cannot prove it so you concede the point. You want it to be canon so badly and to create loopholes around the word proof for Akuma. I get it.

Gameplay has to do with portrayal. Saying some of these fighters can't be hurt by each other ignores gameplay and portrayals.

It's irrelevant for two reasons.

1.You haven't proven it's canon.
2.It's out of his character to go all out anyways.

You've never proven any of Akuma's other attacks are island punching attacks so stating other street fighters characters can tank them isn't true. You can't even prove it's canon anyways.

Kahn has lost to a mortal capable of defeating characters who can defeat unkillable gods so I think Liu Kang has more than backed his resume. I think Liu Kang would defeat akuma as well.

Unproven and out of character to use these same attacks against an opponent.

They can kill sure but not with the same super strength of the mk fights have done so in the past against their peers.

Street fighter characters can't rip their opponents arms off or punch their heads off. Portrayal wise they aren't even close to mk characters.

Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
We don't know the truly extent of "uber Shao Kahn" powers.

However since MK 2011 reboot Shao Kahn would never win the Armageddon and take the power of Blaze.

@ quanchi112: If you think that the island destruction truly is "collateral damage", that means that Gouki's fits is even more powerful, not weaker.

And I repeat even here, quanchi112: all those "proof?" only proves that you don't know about anything about SF verse, so don't be upset if people that "did the research" tell you that Gouki, Ryu, etc. are far more powerful canonwise than they're shown gameplaywise.

It's not consistent with his character, it hasn't been proven to be canon, and it's out of character.

So try again, please.

Common portrayals have always had mkers ripping each other in half, etc. while the elite of street fighter ko each other consistently. The strength advantage is lopsided in favor of mk.