Heihachi vs. Ryu

Even then, if he was holding back, it was a draw match. So we can't say to what degree. I wouldn't say Ryu has the durability of "an island" because each object has a different type of durability, a large mass of land and a human body are two different things. He has vast superhuman durability, which turns out better in many situations.

My whole point is he takes hits from somebody who did the aforementioned feats, and it isn't the first time he's taken hits from city destroyers (Bison isn't one to go easy on a character), and of the such.

So to say he took hits from them is not a lie, and since he is more powerful than those characters now, he can definitely absorb their damage, especially since he brought his power up to that point now.

Indeed. I find it hard to beleive that he couldn't tank such a hit if the need arises.

That said, I also am unsure if Gouki did throw that kind of punch at Ryu during that battle. I mean at 20 Megatones Per Square Inch strength level punches, like the kinds of energy needed to sink an island, wold do some pretty terrible things to the environment, and when amped by a special technique like a Gou Shoryuken...

Then again, the way a human body reacts to such damage is completely different than how a landmass would react, as C Master said...

Exactly, we've had numerous debates about this with Superman, Flash, and Odin. And especially Wolverine, who isn't on the level of heavy hitters. He rolls with some hits, and he has a lot of PIS popularity armor too.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
He's still not getting the point that the Ryu of SFIII is more powerful than Gouki was in SFA2. This can not be disputed. So yes, Ryu can tank Gouki's puches. Hell, I would also argue that Ryu in SFIII can tank normal SFIII Gouki punches.

Why do people always jump from one point to the next?

Ryu being more powerful than Gouki is one thing but to say that he can tank island destroying punches is still an unsubstantiated claim, even for his SF3 version. If he has no feats to back that up, then it's useless.

Also, I'm pretty sure Ryu is of normal weight (don't know his exact weight) so how can Gouki sink an island with a punch, yet unable to send a guy of normal weight like Ryu flying out of the island with that same punch? That right there doesn't even sound right.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Why do people always jump from one point to the next?

Ryu being more powerful than Gouki is one thing but to say that he can tank island destroying punches is still an unsubstantiated claim, even for his SF3 version. If he has no feats to back that up, then it's useless.

Also, I'm pretty sure Ryu is of normal weight (don't know his exact weight) so how can Gouki sink an island with a punch, yet unable to send a guy of normal weight like Ryu flying out of the island with that same punch? That right there doesn't even sound right.

It happens all the time in movies and comic books, Superman doesn't send everyone flying with a punch, nor does Spider-Man or Flash.

You have no proof to the contrary so you're just arguing something you don't like. Do you not think Gouki can survive a punch from himself? If Ryu is more powerful at this point, then so can he.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Super strength and super inertia keep the character in place, and that is a really poor way to dismiss something you don't like about sending others flying. How do we know that he didn't send him flying at one point?

It happens all the time in movies and comic books, Superman doesn't send everyone flying with a punch, nor does Spider-Man or Flash.

You have no proof to the contrary so you're just arguing something you don't like. Do you not think Gouki can survive a punch from himself? If Ryu is more powerful at this point, then so can he.

They're fighting in the same spot the whole time. Notice those candles on the wall, just like during gameplay. I doubt the fight would get moved to wherever Ryu got knocked and then get moved right back the same location later on in the fight. That just sound silly.

What the heck...? 🤨 Superman DOES send people flying. He even knocked Lobo into space and even send Wonder Woman flying at times too.

Once again, Gouki was holding back, remember? That's the only version of Gouki that Ryu even encountered. From the looks of it, it seems like you're trying to say that Ryu is stronger than the Shin Akuma from the Alpha games. You're trying your best to make Ryu look so much stronger than he really is but at the same time, you're making Gouki look so much weaker. I don't even overrate SF like you do and even I wouldn't go that far.

Edit: And for the last time, stop using gameplay elements and trying to mix it in with story. You are an SF hater and are doing what they do best. I'm talking about in the storyline.

Superman sends people flying sometimes, but not on a consistent basis, not even close. The overwhelming majoirty of times he does not send them into space. Ryu and Akuma have sent people flying.

As for Flash...

YouTube video

Flash was gaining infinite mass past C and he didn't send Luthor that far, insane for the amount of force he was packing, way more than Superman.

You're obviously thick. How am I trying to make Gouki look weak, when I mentioned to *you* he was holding back because he was in his weaker form. Gouki can take a casual hit form himself, like he did when he broke the mountain. You have no proof that says otherwise. You also had no knowledge that Akuma had two higher forms.

I like Ryu and Akuma and a host of other characters. Now current Ryu *is* stronger than Alpha Akuma and that's fact.

How am I overrating SF? Who have I given them wins against that were outrageous? Where have I made up stuff? You won't answer this and you can't, because you're a troll. You have no knowledge. You're just an MK/Smash/Tekken fanboy that wants to make SF look weak because you hate that they are more powerful than your characters.

Just like so many others here.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Edit: And for the last time, stop using gameplay elements and trying to mix it in with story. You are an SF hater and are doing what they do best. I'm talking about in the storyline.

Superman sends people flying sometimes, but not on a consistent basis, not even close. The overwhelming majoirty of times he does not send them into space. Ryu and Akuma have sent people flying.

As for Flash...

YouTube video

Flash was gaining infinite mass past C and he didn't send Luthor that far, insane for the amount of force he was packing, way more than Superman.

You're obviously thick. How am I trying to make Gouki look weak, when I mentioned to *you* he was holding back because he was in his weaker form. Gouki can take a casual hit form himself, like he did when he broke the mountain. You have no proof that says otherwise. You also had no knowledge that Akuma had two higher forms.

I like Ryu and Akuma and a host of other characters. Now current Ryu *is* stronger than Alpha Akuma and that's fact.

How am I overrating SF? Who have I given them wins against that were outrageous? Where have I made up stuff? You won't answer this and you can't, because you're a troll. You have no knowledge. You're just an MK/Smash/Tekken fanboy that wants to make SF look weak because you hate that they are more powerful than your characters.

Just like so many others here.

Now see, you didn't pay the slightest bit of attention, have you? I wasn't using gameplay elements. I was talking about the background, as in how it's the same as the one in the ending. You can't even debate fairly.

Do you realize that Superman holds back most of the time? That's why you don't see him send people flying all the time. Oh and good job in ignoring that Luthor was fused with Braniac...and he was on the fricken ground when he got hit. 😐

Who has Ryu and Akuma sent flying in their fights?

Oh yeah, I have no knowledge of Akuma's other forms, even though I just mentioned them in some of my recent posts (one of them that even YOU replied to). 🙄 Somehow, you decide how much Akuma can take when there's no evidence? Please...

You're doing all of that right now under this topic. You're exaggerating Ryu's durability as we speak and even claiming that Gouki's island-destroying punch was casual, despite no proof in the slightest. And then you just went on a rampage at the end of your post. You got no room to call somebody a fanboy.

Really, quit being so darn emotional over debates like this.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Now see, you didn't pay the slightest bit of attention, have you? I wasn't using gameplay elements. I was talking about the background, as in how it's the same as the one in the ending. You can't even debate fairly.

Do you realize that Superman holds back most of the time? That's why you don't see him send people flying all the time. Oh and good job in ignoring that Luthor was fused with Braniac...and he was on the fricken ground when he got hit. 😐

Who has Ryu and Akuma sent flying in their fights?

Oh yeah, I have no knowledge of Akuma's other forms, even though I just mentioned them in some of my recent posts (one of them that even YOU replied to). 🙄 Somehow, you decide how much Akuma can take when there's no evidence? Please...

You're doing all of that right now under this topic. You're exaggerating Ryu's durability as we speak and even claiming that Gouki's island-destroying punch was casual, despite no proof in the slightest. And then you just went on a rampage at the end of your post. You got no room to call somebody a fanboy.

Really, quit being so darn emotional over debates like this.

Luthor was fused making him more powerful, and being on the ground means nothing when you have infinite mass.

Superman going all out doesn't send people to space either 99% of the time, nice try though.

After I mentioned it. When did I state his limits.

Yep, it was a casual punch as he wasn't full powered. No rammpage at all you're just bitter about being owned and you resorted to trying to attack my vastly superior credibility, when the forum opinion is that you have the iq of a rock. Take your SF hate elsewhere.

Wow that ground point was so stupid. You ever kick a football before, or hit a golfball? Those go flying and they're on the ground. Someone hitting at infinite mass past C can't send a human flying though? Hmmm.... maybe I was right about what I said and you should let it go as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Why do people always jump from one point to the next?

Ryu being more powerful than Gouki is one thing but to say that he can tank island destroying punches is still an unsubstantiated claim, even for his SF3 version. If he has no feats to back that up, then it's useless.

Also, I'm pretty sure Ryu is of normal weight (don't know his exact weight) so how can Gouki sink an island with a punch, yet unable to send a guy of normal weight like Ryu flying out of the island with that same punch? That right there doesn't even sound right.

So now you are sayin Akuma wouldn't tank his own punches? Are you f**kin serious 😆

Originally posted by No End N Site
So now you are sayin Akuma wouldn't tank his own punches? Are you f**kin serious 😆

This thickness is what is getting on my nerves.

Wouldn't an infinite mass punch (irl) destroy the Earth....well, anything it hits or something like that?

A chain of superhumans pulling Wally back in. And that the end of that chain.. Batman..

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wouldn't an infinite mass punch (irl) destroy the Earth....well, anything it hits or something like that?

A chain of superhumans pulling Wally back in. And that the end of that chain.. Batman..

Lol, I guess Batman is that awesome.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Luthor was fused making him more powerful, and being on the ground means nothing when you have infinite mass.

Superman going all out doesn't send people to space either 99% of the time, nice try though.

After I mentioned it. When did I state his limits.

Yep, it was a casual punch as he wasn't full powered. No rammpage at all you're just bitter about being owned and you resorted to trying to attack my vastly superior credibility, when the forum opinion is that you have the iq of a rock. Take your SF hate elsewhere.

You said he was "approaching" infinite mass. Make up your mind.

Stop lying. I just pointed out two examples of Superman doing that so don't try to change it. Superman can knock people into space when he's going all out.

And I mentioned it long before we even had this talk.

See, you're just in denial that Gouki isn't as strong as you think. Gouki can sink a HUGE island with a punch and yet can't knock away a guy with normal weight with that same punch? That is very ridiculous. It's clear you are a fan that will do anything to make the SF series look so much better. Seriously, grow up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wow that ground point was so stupid. You ever kick a football before, or hit a golfball? Those go flying and they're on the ground. Someone hitting at infinite mass past C can't send a human flying though? Hmmm.... maybe I was right about what I said and you should let it go as you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Are you seriously asking me have I ever kicked a football or hit a golfball to the ground? 🤨

Originally posted by No End N Site
So now you are sayin Akuma wouldn't tank his own punches? Are you f**kin serious 😆

You got any proof that he could tank punches on that kind of level?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
You said he was "approaching" infinite mass. Make up your mind.

Stop lying. I just pointed out two examples of Superman doing that so don't try to change it. Superman can knock people into space when he's going all out.

And I mentioned it long before we even had this talk.

See, you're just in denial that Gouki isn't as strong as you think. Gouki can sink a HUGE island with a punch and yet can't knock away a guy with normal weight with that same punch? That is very ridiculous. It's clear you are a fan that will do anything to make the SF series look so much better. Seriously, grow up.

Lol, that's what it is. Shame for me for using canon and logic. Akuma can't take his own hits now lol.

You just hate SF, go and prove my SF fanboyism where are these crazy threads? Please, you're just thick and like being owned. It turns you on. Speaking about conception and all lol.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
You said he was "approaching" infinite mass. Make up your mind.

Stop lying. I just pointed out two examples of Superman doing that so don't try to change it. Superman can knock people into space when he's going all out.

And I mentioned it long before we even had this talk.

See, you're just in denial that Gouki isn't as strong as you think. Gouki can sink a HUGE island with a punch and yet can't knock away a guy with normal weight with that same punch? That is very ridiculous. It's clear you are a fan that will do anything to make the SF series look so much better. Seriously, grow up.

Are you seriously asking me have I ever kicked a football or hit a golfball [b]to the ground? 🤨 [/B]

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He is always approaching infinite mass past C, you don't know much about comics either.

Lol, that's what it is. Shame for me for using canon and logic. Akuma can't take his own hits now lol.

You just hate SF, go and prove my SF fanboyism where are these crazy threads? Please, you're just thick and like being owned. It turns you on. Speaking about conception and all lol.

Obviously you don't, since you can't get your facts straight. You screwed up twice when talking about them.

Except you're not using canon or logic, that's why you can't prove that Akuma can take hits like that. Next you'll be saying he can take the SGS because it's his own attack...without anything supporting that. 😆

Why don't you point out where I said I hate SF? And once again, this topic is an example of your fanboyism. You can't prove that Ryu can take an island-destroying punch like you claim, you can't prove that Akuma's island-destroying punch was casual like you claim, you can't prove that Akuma can take take that same kind of punch like you seem to be claiming, and you're even claiming that SF is "so much stronger than my series".

You're doing nothing but spouting fanboy crap. Until you can make a much more better argument, I'll just leave it here.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You hit it and sent it flying when it was on the ground right? You said Flash couldn't send him flying because he was on the ground.

Did you even look at that video? Flash is punching Lex in the ground, that's why he wasn't flying away. That's not the same as kicking a football from off the ground or hitting a golfball from off the ground.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Obviously you don't, since you can't get your facts straight. You screwed up twice when talking about them.

Except you're not using canon or logic, that's why you can't prove that Akuma can take hits like that. Next you'll be saying he can take the SGS because it's his own attack...without anything supporting that. 😆

Why don't you point out where I said I hate SF? And once again, this topic is an example of your fanboyism. You can't prove that Ryu can take an island-destroying punch like you claim, you can't prove that Akuma's island-destroying punch was casual like you claim, you can't prove that Akuma can take take that same kind of punch like you seem to be claiming, and you're even claiming that SF is "so much stronger than my series".

You're doing nothing but spouting fanboy crap. Until you can make a much more better argument, I'll just leave it here.

Did you even look at that video? Flash is punching Lex [b]in the ground, that's why he wasn't flying away. That's not the same as kicking a football from off the ground or hitting a golfball from off the ground. [/B]

And I'm talking about when he ran around the world and punched him the first few times you doof. Stop selecting what you want to see.

This is a theoretical match, meaning we make a hypothesis based on logic, and the proof isn't on your side. Take your SF hate elsewhere. You'll "leave it here" like you did last time because I called out your lying and kept spanking you. You missed it so much that you came back. My rep on this forum>>>>>>>>> yours.

You're just crazy about me and like when I respond to you, like some sort of masochist.

Admit it, it turns you on.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
You got any proof that he could tank punches on that kind of level?

Lulz He killed Gouken in a fight, who's also at his level who would also be just as capable of said feat? This is funny 😆