Heihachi vs. Ryu

I'm asking to myself... quanchi112 is a clear SF hater, and he gave us PROOF that he cannot accept the fact that SF char are more powerful canon-wise than gameplay-wise.

So, why didn't he simply started a spite thread like "Dan vs Kratos?" or "Sean vs Sephiroth?"

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
No, I didn't "run" with your post. I merely pointed out what you said or are you gonna admit you were BSing?

Being a "separate ability" has got nothing to do with it. It's still within his ability that he can use whenever he chooses...just like Akuma. But what we really want to know is did he actually do it in a fight? That's something we can't say because it's not shown or stated and until it is, we can't say he did.

I've noticed the typical fanboy tactic of "you don't agree with me? then you don't know the story" crap. If you know so much more, then why don't you show me any kind of evidence to support your claim? You're so darn sure of what you said and yet can't back it up and is resorting to "u dunt no logic or da story". Just a poor excuse for your lack of an argument.

Also No End N Site, instead of just glancing at the argument (because you obviously didn't read the whole thing), why don't you put some effort into your replies? Tell me what was "so wrong" with me pointing about what HE said? Or were you simply trying to divert attention from where he messed up at?

I'm waiting for you to prove that Akuma punched him with less force in an actual fight when it is known that Akuma fights only the worthy.

Not to mention Ryu is more powerful than Akuma was at the time he punched the island anyways. You have no facts, no proof, and no canon. You're simply trying to discredit the character like so many haters here before have.

Poor SFers....they can revolutionize 2d fighters....they can resurrect a dead genre and they still get no respect uhuh

Akuma and Ryu are serious business biscuits

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
We're bsing because we're right? I like several games, Tekken, SF, MK, etc. I always notice that there are waves of Smash Bros, MK, Tekken fanboys who peg at SF. It's happened time and time again. You have no argument, all you've done is stupidly troll. Stealing a soul is stealing a soul, if he didn't steal a soul he didn't do it, Akuma throwing a punch at a character, and throwing a punch at something else is the same action. Therefore you're comparing apples to oranges. Your argument is dumb and makes no sense and you clearly don't know how to have a theoretical debate.

I'm waiting for you to prove that Akuma punched him with less force in an actual fight when it is known that Akuma fights only the worthy.

Not to mention Ryu is more powerful than Akuma was at the time he punched the island anyways. You have no facts, no proof, and no canon. You're simply trying to discredit the character like so many haters here before have.

No you're BSing and that's that. I've asked you numerous times to back up your claim and you didn't. And it's painfully obvious that you can't so now you're just resorting to fanboy tactics to cover up your inability to support your claim and you got the nerve to say I'M trolling? Get outta here! You're not fooling anybody. Also, you say Shao Kahn didn't steal a soul during a fight so what makes you so sure that he didn't and what makes you so sure that Akuma hit Ryu with an 'island-destroying" punch, when neither of those things were confirmed to happen in their fights?

If you want to get really logical then answer me this; do you think Sagat was as strong as Akuma during SF1?

Ryu is only stronger than a holding back Akuma. That doesn't in anyway means he can destroy an island with a punch too, nor does it mean he can take it. You obviously can't prove otherwise and to still claim it like it's true just shows how much your overrate the SF characters.

I did, what evidence do you have that he can't withstand the force? You've provided nothing. It must hurt to be so dense. I backed it up, the bottom line is that you just don't like the proof because you are anti SF. You're a fanboy of MK and Smash, and we all know they hate SF with a passion. You have no proof that I'm a fanboy in any way, what threads have I given Ryu or any SF characters the wins in that were outrageous?

Sagat was created before Akuma in SF1 and was the one time before SF4 that Ryu went evil.

You provided absolutely zero proof so stop lying. And you're right now trying to give them the wins, namely with Ryu with you making up how durable he is without any proof.

You also didn't answer my question. Again, was Sagat as strong as Akuma during the SF1 tournament?

Yes I did you lying troll.

Now what proof do you have to the contrary? I know the answer is none, which is why you're dodging my question.

"Dodging"? Dude, you really can't talk, as it's you who has dodged my question for the second time and ANYBODY can see that.

Therefore, I'll take your post as a conception.

"Concession" you mean?

I'm glad you did concede since you can't answer my question. 🙂 Your trolling was fun but it had to end sooner or later lol.

Well yeah, I obviously meant "concession".

Not hearing your crap, C-Master. You're doing nothing but trolling anyway.

But you took the time to correct your spelling mistake, shows your gap in logic. You are a talented troll though. Conception has totally different meaning, I thought you may have meant sex or something.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH

Also No End N Site, instead of just glancing at the argument (because you obviously didn't read the whole thing), why don't you put some effort into your replies? Tell me what was "so wrong" with me pointing about what HE said? Or were you simply trying to divert attention from where he messed up at?

It is a clear fact that when Akuma is not holdin back, he will change, even in gameplay. In order for Akuma not to be holdin back, his hair, his gi, or both will change color. If his hair is red and his gi is black, he is holdin back. The glowin', the heavy breathin and all that other stupid shit means nothin. If he is goin all out, he will change.

It is trully that simple. I hope this info helps you in future debates. 🙂

You're not telling me anything new. I knew all of that already. But what I was talking about was, was he hitting Ryu with an island-destroying punch? You might say something like "he looked the same during and after his fight with Ryu" but that doesn't mean he was holding back the same amount of power in those two instances. And since we're not given any details on how the fight went, we can't say for sure he hit Ryu with that kind of punch. All we do know is that Akuma was merely testing Ryu. That's it.

Plus, let's not forget, Ryu lost to Ken and before that, struggled with Sagat, both who are obviously not on Akuma's strongest level.

No, he lost to Ken and Sagat AFTER his battle with Akuma. In fact, it was the revelation of the Satsui No Hadou in him that caused him to lose focus and lose those matches in the first place.

What are you talking about? Ryu beat Sagat during the SF1 tournament, only because he was briefly Evil Ryu for a moment.

I'm talking Alpha 2 specifically.

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Look, this is getting nobody anywhere...

I'll suggest this then. I do not beleive that Ryu took island busting punches, purely because we know Akuma was holding well back more than normal, as he was testing Ryu out, seeing if he was a worthy adversary, and probably to see if Ryu had the ability to harness Satsui No Hadou. Turns out Ryu did, and so, Akuma threw the fight on purpose, and revealed to Ryu his ability to harness it, and at the same time, Akuma demonstrated at least a part of the Satsui No Hadou's potential by sinking Goukentou. Now, do I beleive Gouki used hs full might to do this? No, I do not. Why? Becaue Gouki was still in his base form, and as we all know well by now, his base form is STILL holding back the lions share of his power, and more still with the revelation of his Oni form.

Akuma's base form is him cutting himself off from the SNH at least partially, while Shin form allows it to flow freely, and Oni alters his physical state to maximise SNH's true potential, meaning by that point he is no longer human.

Well still, even though Ryu wasn't focused, Ken certainly was and even though he's not on the same level as Akuma, he still managed to beat Ryu.

This is why I don't believe this durability hype some of these people are talking about.

I've edited my above posts BroSmash.

Yeah, I see it now.

He's still not getting the point that the Ryu of SFIII is more powerful than Gouki was in SFA2. This can not be disputed. So yes, Ryu can tank Gouki's puches. Hell, I would also argue that Ryu in SFIII can tank normal SFIII Gouki punches.