Odin & Thor VS Galactus & Silver Surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
Remember physical blunt force is not the same as energy durability. Thor took a long ass time to build up enough speed for the hammer to gain enough power to do it. In a real battle no one is just going to sit there and let Thor take his time and whirl the hammer to sufficient speeds and slam down on them. Also, didn't he use the belt of strength and also the hammer broke in pieces?

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What's your definition of a long time? Because it certainly isn't the same as my own. Thor span the hammer for a moment:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor2.jpg

His strength was doubled but Mjolnir did not break. It broke when he used the God Blast to blast through the even more durable brain dome of Exitar:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DestroysCelestialBrainDome1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DestroysCelestialBrainDome2.jpg

There's your energy durability.

Originally posted by h1a8
The Destroyer was animated by all the skyfathers and not Odin alone. If Odin was the only one animating the Destroyer then it would have been a true insect to them and wiped out far faster than it was, in a blink of an eye.

That's a lie. Odin was the only Skyfather animating the Destroyer. He empowered it with the majority of the Odin Force.

I never understood why people placed Odin so far below Galactus simply because of the Celestial encounter. At the time, the Celestials were a power beyond the current Cosmic Entities -at least in the Thor books- and yes, that includes Galactus. Probably the reason why people argue an average Celestial is above Galactus to this day. Let's not forget that Odin was at his lowest consistent point since his creation at the time. Thomas depowered Odin, retconned Asgardian lore and so on for arguably no other than to introduce the Eternals as well as the Celestials into the Marvel history. Still pisses me off to this day that he sold out the Thor mythology for a bunch of space hippies and giant refrigerators. He was a good writer, but he tried to hard to have everything fit together like a puzzle.

Anyways, despite all the factors, Odin had sufficient reserves of power to put up a fight against the Fourth Host.

How about we take a depiction of the All Father where simply using the full capabilities of his own inner reserves, he is a Cosmic God capable of annihilating Galaxies on a whim and so on? Then have that Odin augment his power many times by drawing on his other reserves and placing them in the Destroyer. At the same time, let's use Bran's favorite Pak Galactus.

Originally posted by h1a8
All of Marvel's star heralds have feats outside of herald level. Even D.C. heralds do too.

The only hero that I know of who has multiple high end feats like Thor is Clark.

Originally posted by h1a8
Like Guy222 is trying to say while no one is listening is that the key to victory is in the Galactus seed (whatever the hell that is). Because without something like that then Odin and Thor have no chance in hell.

We'll see.

I agree on Thomas' run of Thor. It was decent enough, but yeah, he retconned and introduce a lot purely for the sake of the Celestials, who at the time, were portrayed as being the top guys in the Marvel Universe. Odin felt that Galactus himself may have been a rogue Celestial, which is why he considered him a threat initially, iirc. Galactus has higher status than Odin, but feat-for-feat, Odin can contend with him.

Fraction's latest run will probably settle it one way or the other, though.

the destroyer had a tiny fraction of each skyfathers power, either way as i said

some celestials>> galactus
the 4th host >>>>>Galactus

The arc when the skyfathers faced the celestials they were watered down to the point a full powered combined blast from Odin & Zeus was only enough to slightly shake the earth

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I never understood why people placed Odin so far below Galactus simply because of the Celestial encounter. At the time, the Celestials were a power beyond the current Cosmic Entities -at least in the Thor books- and yes, that includes Galactus. Probably the reason why people argue an average Celestial is above Galactus to this day. Let's not forget that Odin was at his lowest consistent point since his creation at the time. Thomas depowered Odin, retconned Asgardian lore and so on for arguably no other than to introduce the Eternals as well as the Celestials into the Marvel history.

I for one am glad -- the Celestials are the coolest thing there is in superhero comics.

And dude, don't bother arguing about the exitar thing. PIS, like evil, is real.

1. Big G
2. Big G

I think Odin and Thor might win with prep

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact that Galactus fully fed is considered eternity's equal means that All the skyfathers combined would be mere insects to him.

When was this stated? Back in the day he was considered the balancing force between Death and Eternity but is that even true anymore?

@Colossus

the destroyer had a tiny fraction of each skyfathers power, either way as i said

Yup, every skyfather blessed it with a fraction of their power.

@h1a8

Do you think Odin could beat a single Celestial by his lonesome?

IMHO no. Nothing short of an abstract should pose a threat to a Celestial. But that's not how Marvel sees it. On panel feats by Odin dwarf anything the Celestials have ever done.

Galactus >>> Odin

Thor > Surfer

All that dosen't matter though, Odin more than makes up for Surfer not being stronger than Thor.

Also whatever kind of energy SS encases Thor's hammer in, Thor can bust through it with repeated attacks.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Galactus >>> Odin

Thor > Surfer

All that dosen't matter though, Odin more than makes up for Surfer not being stronger than Thor.

Also whatever kind of energy SS encases Thor's hammer in, Thor can bust through it with repeated attacks.

i agree for the most part...but the thor and ss argument can go both ways....just a matter of opinion on that one

Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO no. Nothing short of an abstract should pose a threat to a Celestial. But that's not how Marvel sees it. On panel feats by Odin dwarf anything the Celestials have ever done.

Originally posted by bigbran
Odin, Vishnu, and Zeus arrive to beat Arishem.

They attack him... and are unable to even get his attention.

So... they bow down. They also get the Destroyer, and bestow their might into him (the Skyfathers).

Too easy. You gotta stop wanking Skyfathers non stop and stop and think about things.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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What's your definition of a long time? Because it certainly isn't the same as my own. Thor span the hammer for a moment:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor2.jpg

His strength was doubled but Mjolnir did not break. It broke when he used the God Blast to blast through the even more durable brain dome of Exitar:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DestroysCelestialBrainDome1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DestroysCelestialBrainDome2.jpg

There's your energy durability.

That's a lie. Odin was the only Skyfather animating the Destroyer. He empowered it with the majority of the Odin Force.

I never understood why people placed Odin so far below Galactus simply because of the Celestial encounter. At the time, the Celestials were a power beyond the current Cosmic Entities -at least in the Thor books- and yes, that includes Galactus. Probably the reason why people argue an average Celestial is above Galactus to this day. Let's not forget that Odin was at his lowest consistent point since his creation at the time. Thomas depowered Odin, retconned Asgardian lore and so on for arguably no other than to introduce the Eternals as well as the Celestials into the Marvel history. Still pisses me off to this day that he sold out the Thor mythology for a bunch of space hippies and giant refrigerators. He was a good writer, but he tried to hard to have everything fit together like a puzzle.

Anyways, despite all the factors, Odin had sufficient reserves of power to put up a fight against the Fourth Host.

How about we take a depiction of the All Father where simply using the full capabilities of his own inner reserves, he is a Cosmic God capable of annihilating Galaxies on a whim and so on? Then have that Odin augment his power many times by drawing on his other reserves and placing them in the Destroyer. At the same time, let's use Bran's favorite Pak Galactus.

The only hero that I know of who has multiple high end feats like Thor is Clark.

Originally posted by zopzop

IMHO no. Nothing short of an abstract should pose a threat to a Celestial. But that's not how Marvel sees it. On panel feats by Odin dwarf anything the Celestials have ever done.

Most of Marvel's writers agree that Galactus at full power >>>>Any single Celestial.

Also, IMO, Odin or any other skyfather at best is supposed to be powerful enough to level a star system. Anything more than that is bad writing and PIS.

Heralds at best are supposed to level cities (or countries tops). Anything more than that is bad writing or PIS.

Superman to Thor to SS are not supposed to possess planetary power. They are not written to be that powerful in over 99% of their appearances. I view a common Thor as struggling to lift an aircraft carrier or a small mountain. I view a common Superman as struggling to lift a small continent or mountain range. No one under abstract should be able to survive in the sun without some type of outside powered force field protecting them. No one under abstract should survive a black hole. I can go on and on. The only reason why you see dumb feats that go outside of what a character can possibly do is to contend with the other company. PC Superman did something crazy so Marvel writers is going to have Hulk or Thor do something crazy. Then D.C. writers see it and then they go even crazier. Then Marvel writers see that and they go even crazier. The philosophy is found in the movie, "Kung-Fu Hustle".

Originally posted by h1a8
Most of Marvel's writers agree that Galactus at full power >>>>Any single Celestial.

Where did you read that? Most Celestials are greater than Galactus.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Where did you read that? Most Celestials are greater than Galactus.

Any single celestial was never shown or hinted to have universal power (like Eternity).

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Too easy. You gotta stop wanking Skyfathers non stop and stop and think about things.

That's from one issue 20+ years ago. Thor, who is nowhere near as powerful as Odin, has gone on to smash Exitar's outer shell and crush his skull.

Show me a Celestial busting a galaxy or rocking the multiverse in one of their fights.

Odin's on panel feats >>>> Celestials on panel feats.

why should anyone under abstract not be able to survive in the sun?

also by your post you are implying that it should be like this

Herald level- can lift mountain, a continent tops, can level a city , a continent tops
Skyfather- can destroy a planet, create a moon
Galactus- can destroy a galaxy

how many planets are in a galaxy? this would imply that not even 1 trillion Odins can tickle galactus with a combined blast

Originally posted by h1a8
It was mentioned several times in canon comics that Galactus at full power is as powerful as Eternity and can destroy the universe 10x over (or something like that).

Any single celestial was never shown or hinted to have universal power (like Eternity).

G is at the top of the food chain, though Odin isn't that far behind imho. Thor should wreck the Surfer.

It was never stated, if it was i dare anyone to post a scan

the only reason people who say that is because galactus call eternity his relatives.

Galactus should be nowhere near eternity in power, eternity created all the celestials by merely meditating.

The only one that comes close was when G transformed into his true form and was talking to eternity in equal terms however we only get a that hint of his power level during secret wars.