Originally posted by h1a8
Also, IMO, Odin or any other skyfather at best is supposed to be powerful enough to level a star system. Anything more than that is bad writing and PIS.Heralds at best are supposed to level cities (or countries tops). Anything more than that is bad writing or PIS.
Superman to Thor to SS are not supposed to possess planetary power.
I hope you know I actually agree with you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000%, but Marvel doesn't. We have to go by what's on panel and on panel Odin has some stupendous feats under his belt. Thor too.
I've never seen anything under the HotU do what Thor did to a Celestial. Sure Invisible Woman cracked a Celestials shell, but the excuse was that her force fields are of the same energy field or whatever as their shells. Thor didn't need anything like that, he brute force destroyed Exitar's skull which was said to be even stronger than Exitar's outer shell.
Originally posted by zopzopYou said Marvel thought Odin>Celestials, and I showed you the exact opposite. No need to try and save face.
That's from one issue 20+ years ago. Thor, who is nowhere near as powerful as Odin, has gone on to smash Exitar's outer shell and crush his skull.Show me a Celestial busting a galaxy or rocking the multiverse in one of their fights.
Odin's on panel feats >>>> Celestials on panel feats.
Also, most of Odin's feats are over 20 years old...
And all that did was cause Exitar to pause for a second. He caused a slight hole with double his strength and destroyed his brainpiece with a godblast... and this did basically nothing to Exitar but make him pause. And then he saved Thor's life and recreated Mjolnir.
And Celestials>>>Odin on panel, fancy that. But let's follow your logic for a second...
Classic Drax destroyed a planetoid with a punch, ripped out the core of a small sun, and owned another planetoid... Thor has never done either of that, yet Thor was able to make Drax look like ass, and She Hulk even made Drax look like ass. BUT DRAX'S COLLATERAL DAMAGE IS WAY BETTER OMG!!! Classic Drax should be able to crush beings like Doomsday because Doomsday barely causes any damage in his fights!
That's your logic right thar. Isn't it lovely?
Also, no one can beat Superman because his feats are better, and any new introduced character that beats Superman doesn't count.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You said Marvel thought Odin>Celestials, and I showed you the exact opposite. No need to try and save face.
You did jack. Showing a scan from 20+ years ago to prove a point is a joke seeing how Thor by himself did MORE damage to Exitar than 3 skyfathers did.
Also, most of Odin's feats are over 20 years old...
And all that did was cause Exitar to pause for a second. He caused a slight hole with double his strength and destroyed his brainpiece with a godblast... and this did basically nothing to Exitar but make him pause. And then he saved Thor's life and recreated Mjolnir.
He managed to do MORE damage than 3 skyfathers combined. Also Thor's feat is more recent than the skyfathers vs Arshiem one, so either the skyfathers jobbed or the Celestials have been retconned to be weaker than they were earlier.
And Celestials>>>Odin on panel, fancy that. But let's follow your logic for a second...
Classic Drax destroyed a planetoid with a punch, ripped out the core of a small sun, and owned another planetoid... Thor has never done either of that, yet Thor was able to make Drax look like ass, and She Hulk even made Drax look like ass. BUT DRAX'S COLLATERAL DAMAGE IS WAY BETTER OMG!!! Classic Drax should be able to crush beings like Doomsday because Doomsday barely causes any damage in his fights!That's your logic right thar. Isn't it lovely?
Yet Thor still has the better feats. Two Thors clanging hammers caused a shockwave that was felt throughtout the universe and the narrator compared it to the big bang. Show me Drax doing anything compared to what Thor did to being Exitar's level. Thor schooled Power Gem Drax. Thor's Godblast has stopped and reversed Juggernaut's forward momentum. I could go on but Thor's feats absolutely shxt all over Drax's.
Now while your at it, show me a Celestial destroying a galaxy like Odin has. Or creating a dimension like Odin has. Or rocking the multiverse in any of ther fights like Odin has. Or threatening the universe with destruction because you are fighting a rival god like Odin has.
All you got is ONE encounter 20+ years ago.
Also, no one can beat Superman because his feats are better, and any new introduced character that beats Superman doesn't count.
DC has Superman hanging with Abstracts so what's your point?
Originally posted by h1a8
It was mentioned several times in canon comics that Galactus at full power is as powerful as Eternity and can destroy the universe 10x over (or something like that).Any single celestial was never shown or hinted to have universal power (like Eternity).
Celestial >>>> Galactus. Any single one of them
Originally posted by zopzopThor by himself did more damage than Super Destroyer powered by damn near everyone including Odin... He's Thor, he does stupid things.
You did jack. Showing a scan from 20+ years ago to prove a point is a joke seeing how Thor by himself did MORE damage to Exitar than 3 skyfathers did.
I don't see how blatantly ignoring proof is you doing anything though... I did jack by showing you Marvel directly thinks Celestials>>>Odin though? Ya, that makes a world of sense.
BTW, giving people good feats isn't proof of a company's stance on a fight if you need a reminder... which you do.... even though it won't do anything because you got a really deluded mindset on this subject.
Originally posted by zopzopThor created a person sized hole with a full on swing while his powers were doubled and Exitar didn't even notice...
He managed to do MORE damage than 3 skyfathers combined. Also Thor's feat is more recent than the skyfathers vs Arshiem one, so either the skyfathers jobbed or the Celestials have been retconned to be weaker than they were earlier.
You want to talk about Godblasts though? How about the time Thor's godblast (that wasn't reinforced by the belt of strength) ripped a hole through Zelia powered by all the Dark Gods AND Odin? Thor's Godblast > Odin? And you know who took a Godblast that destroyed Mjolnir right next to their brain with only a slight pause? Exitar.
Retcon because someone caused them to pause, and made a person sized hole in you... what? In the same arc Arishem no sold super powered Thor's attack that he had to draw on the planet to fire against him... I'm glad out of your two options you never once mentioned that Thor could have had a super high feat...
Great show of desperation though. Round of applause.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yet Thor still has the better feats. Two Thors clanging hammers caused a shockwave that was felt throughtout the universe and the narrator compared it to the big bang. Show me Drax doing anything compared to what Thor did to being Exitar's level. Thor schooled Power Gem Drax. Thor's Godblast has stopped and reversed Juggernaut's forward momentum. I could go on but Thor's feats absolutely shxt all over Drax's.Now while your at it, show me a Celestial destroying a galaxy like Odin has. Or creating a dimension like Odin has. Or rocking the multiverse in any of ther fights like Odin has. Or threatening the universe with destruction because you are fighting a rival god like Odin has.
All you got is ONE encounter 20+ years ago.
"Now while you're at it, show some collateral damage feats while I ignore the on panel verification"
I like Rage's explanation for that better than the "IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE ODIN FEATS BRO!!!"
Also lol at you naming four different Odin feats, and 3 of them were from the same fight... that was 15 years ago. And Odin creating a dimension... I hope you're not talking about Asgard...
But even young Franklin Richards created a dimension, and at full power is said to be on par with a Celestial. That dimension was then housed inside a Celestial. And by created, I mean created instantly, not over the span of many years.
Originally posted by zopzopThis is what I want to see. Superman = abstracts, and any character who beats him is pis.
DC has Superman hanging with Abstracts so what's your point?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Thor by himself did more damage than Super Destroyer powered by damn near everyone including Odin... He's Thor, he does stupid things.I don't see how blatantly ignoring proof is you doing anything though... I did jack by showing you Marvel directly thinks Celestials>>>Odin though? Ya, that makes a world of sense.
BTW, giving people good feats isn't proof of a company's stance on a fight if you need a reminder... which you do.... even though it won't do anything because you got a really deluded mindset on this subject.
Thor created a person sized hole with a full on swing while his powers were doubled and Exitar didn't even notice...
Hell, his Godblast only made him pause and destroyed his hammer in the meantime.You want to talk about Godblasts though? How about the time Thor's godblast (that wasn't reinforced by the belt of strength) ripped a hole through Zelia powered by all the Dark Gods AND Odin? Thor's Godblast > Odin? And you know who took a Godblast that destroyed Mjolnir right next to their brain with only a slight pause? Exitar.
Retcon because someone caused them to pause, and made a person sized hole in you... what? In the same arc Arishem no sold super powered Thor's attack that he had to draw on the planet to fire against him... I'm glad out of your two options you never once mentioned that Thor could have had a super high feat...
Great show of desperation though. Round of applause.Thor had none of those feats at the time of his encounter, the Power Gem Drax vs Thor doesn't count via your logic, his strength was doubled vs Exitar and it did the equivalent of nothing. Thor's Godblast isn't relevant to most if not all fights... especially when he doesn't use it in a comic. Also hyperbole on the first thing you said... that was easy.
Also, Thor didn't cause der Keratteral dermage dough OMG!!!
P.S. You missed She Hulk pounding Drax's ass in when She Hulk has no where near the collateral damage feats of Drax"Now while you're at it, show some collateral damage feats while I ignore the on panel verification"
I like Rage's explanation for that better than the "IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE ODIN FEATS BRO!!!"
Also lol at you naming four different Odin feats, and 3 of them were from the same fight... that was 15 years ago. And Odin creating a dimension... I hope you're not talking about Asgard...But even young Franklin Richards created a dimension, and at full power is said to be on par with a Celestial. That dimension was then housed inside a Celestial. And by created, I mean created instantly, not over the span of many years.
This is what I want to see. Superman = abstracts, and any character who beats him is pis.
I'm glad you stand by your logic though. Odin fanboy logic extends to Superman logic. Superman vs Eternity is a good thread in your opinion?
And now you're just rambling. The point is Odin and the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials 20+years ago. Since then FAR LESS than a skyfather has damaged them or outright destroyed them.
So either the skyfathers JOBBED or the Celestials have been watered down.
Add to the fact that Odin has better on panel feats of power than any Celestial and doubt starts growing.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd now you're just ignoring everything you said previously, and everything I said. That isn't how you prove your case.
And now you're just rambling. The point is Odin and the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials 20+years ago. Since then FAR LESS than a skyfather has damaged them or outright destroyed them.So either the skyfathers JOBBED or the Celestials have been watered down.
Add to the fact that Odin has better on panel feats of power than any Celestial and doubt starts growing.
I win you lose. Concession accepted.
Originally posted by zopzop
The point is Odin and the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials 20+years ago.
Originally posted by zopzop
The point is Odin and the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials
Originally posted by zopzop
Odin and the Skyfathers were humiliated by the Celestials
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And now you're just ignoring everything you said previously, and everything I said. That isn't how you prove your case.I win you lose. Concession accepted.
Great point though
Keep dreaming. I'm still waiting for the scans showing the Celestials operating on a higher level of power than Odin. I'm not just talking destruction or collateral damage feats.
