Odin & Thor VS Galactus & Silver Surfer

Originally posted by zopzop
I hope you know I actually agree with you 10000000000000000000000000000000000000%, but Marvel doesn't. We have to go by what's on panel and on panel Odin has some stupendous feats under his belt. Thor too.

I've never seen anything under the HotU do what Thor did to a Celestial. Sure Invisible Woman cracked a Celestials shell, but the excuse was that her force fields are of the same energy field or whatever as their shells. Thor didn't need anything like that, he brute force destroyed Exitar's skull which was said to be even stronger than Exitar's outer shell.

How do you know how strong a celestial's armor is against blunt force trauma? It may not be stronger than adamantium for all we know. It may be made out of a very durable material (not indestructible though) that can absorb and channel energy very well. Thor once used all of his strength to destroy adamantium and could only manage to put a very small dent in adamantium (the scan showed no dent though).

Thus we must conclude that adamantium is stronger. Also Thor was not only using the belt of strength (which doubles his strength) but he was using a FREAKING HAMMER. Try busting a diamond with your bare hands. With an ordinary sledge hammer it is easy peasy lemon squeezy. That means Thor's natural strength only contributed to less than 20% of the feat. Over 80% of the feat was due to the belt (doubling Thor's strength) and the FREAKING HAMMER.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Sure thing

Fail, that's all you have. One issue from 20+years ago. Like I said a lot has changed since then. Thor cracked Exitar's outer shell and cranium. Invisible Woman outright KILLED Exitar.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fail, that's all you have. One issue from 20+years ago. Like I said a lot has changed since then. Thor cracked Exitar's outer shell and cranium. Invisible Woman outright KILLED Exitar.

Odin only has one noteworthy feat from inside 20 years IYO, and that's from the Seth fight. It's hilarious that you keep saying "20+years ago"

Thor made a person sized hole in Exitar's shell that did nothing.
Invisible Woman destroyed his shell because of her wavelength of energy. Is this how we debate? By bringing up weaknesses and overplaying absolutely nothing?

I thought you already gave up? Why are you still acting like you know what you're talking about?

This 'raw power feats trumps direct comparison and established hierarchy' is just plain idiotic.

C'mon Zopzop, enough is enough.

Originally posted by h1a8

how can you be so opinionated yet equally misinformed about the things you base your opinions on?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That's the only time they have 'fought'... outside when super powered Destroy got turned into scrap metal. Don't ask me to prove something when it's directly proven and then act like it never happened.
"Hey bro, show me some scans where the Celestials are better than Odin"
*Scans of Arishem embarrassing Odin, Zeus, and Vishnu*
"Never happened, 20 years ago, that's all you have, ODIN DESTROYED GALAXIES BRO!!!"

Odin only has one noteworthy feat from inside 20 years IYO, and that's from the Seth fight. It's hilarious that you keep saying "20+years ago"

Thor made a person sized hole in Exitar's shell that did nothing.
Invisible Woman destroyed his shell because of her wavelength of energy. Is this how we debate? By bringing up weaknesses and overplaying absolutely nothing?

I thought you already gave up? Why are you still acting like you know what you're talking about?

Fact is, they are nowhere near as indestructible as they were when they first appeared. The IW one is especially embarrassing since anyone that can duplicate her energy can do the same to a Celestial.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is, they are nowhere near as indestructible as they were when they first appeared. The IW one is especially embarrassing since anyone that can duplicate her energy can do the same to a Celestial.

Why do you make this so easy

And this is the second time you've given up. Third time's the charm?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This 'raw power feats trumps direct comparison and established hierarchy' is just plain idiotic.

C'mon Zopzop, enough is enough.

THey only fought ONCE 20+ years ago! Since then the Celestials have been damaged/destroyed by much less than a skyfather.

Originally posted by zopzop
THey only fought ONCE 20+ years ago! Since then the Celestials have been damaged/destroyed by much less than a skyfather.

See how this works?

Originally posted by zopzop
THey only fought ONCE 20+ years ago! Since then the Celestials have been damaged/destroyed by much less than a skyfather.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Fact is, you haven't even read the comic that Odin tried to attack them in.

Why do you make this so easy

And this is the second time you've given up. Third time's the charm?

Genius, I have the damn comic.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't think you want to play the low feat game with Odin...

First let's play the high end game with the Celestials, then we'll move on to the Odin low end game.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Odin has destroyed a Galaxy ONCE 20+ years ago. Since then he has had plenty of battles where he didn't show nearly as much raw power.

See how this works?

I think it's more times than that. At least twice or thrice. I'll have to check the respect thread again. Rage would know for sure.

Originally posted by zopzop
First let's play the high end game with the Celestials, then we'll move on to the Odin low end game.

thanos' clone's lackey tarakis slipped odin a date rape drug in his tea, putting him in a coma.

sorry, that was an odin low feat before a high celestial one

Originally posted by zopzop
Genius, I have the damn comic.

Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is, they are nowhere near as indestructible as they were when they first appeared.

Originally posted by zopzop
First let's play the high end game with the Celestials, then we'll move on to the Odin low end game.

Also, you'd see this as a low feat:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_291_17.jpg

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This 'raw power feats trumps direct comparison and established hierarchy' is just plain idiotic.

C'mon Zopzop, enough is enough.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Then why would you say this?

Because it's true? Otherwise how would Thor inflict more damage on Exitar than 3 skyfathers did vs Arshiem? How would the IW be able to destroy Exitar or any Celestial with her force fields?

Don't change subjects.
As Quan would say, ANTS! Dark Gods, getting his fingers almost bitten off, the Odin Force getting beat by Volstagg, getting brainwashed, Thor walking through his attack non chalant, Loki in Odin's body getting two pieced by Masterson Thor, Zelia with Odin's power getting a hole punched through it by a Godblast, getting pretty much one shotted by a Doom who had Galactus' power (Doom wasn't even aware that he had lost the Cube later, which leads me to believe he wasn't using it), I believe Mangog destroyed a bridge and this setback Odin, etc.

Also, you'd see this as a low feat:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_291_17.jpg

Let's see the high end feats that trounce Odin's. You keep running your mo0uth and avoiding the subject because you know you don't have any.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
direct comparison and established hierarchy

Originally posted by zopzop

Because it's true? Otherwise how would Thor inflict more damage on Exitar than 3 skyfathers did vs Arshiem? How would the IW be able to destroy Exitar or any Celestial with her force fields?

Let's see the high end feats that trounce Odin's. You keep running your mo0uth and avoiding the subject because you know you don't have any. [/B]

I never said Celestials have high end feats that trump Odin's, that's your Odin fanboy logic talking. I just said that Celestials are proven to be above Skyfathers on panel. Which was your first point. You've asked numerous times about where Celestials are shown above Odin, and I showed you... numerous times.
You then proceed to talk about some irrelevant shit while completely ignoring the possibility that Celestials are indeed above Odin... like what Marvel showed... on panel.

What you don't get is that I don't care about some high end feats when there's a direct comparison right thar. Hell, you went so far as to say Superman is on par with abstracts in DC because of his feats. Your logic is clearly retarded.

I'll be surprised if Rage comes to your rescue here (since you mentioned him saving you).

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
You obviously never read the whole comic. I get it.

I never said Celestials have high end feats that trump Odin's, that's your Odin fanboy logic talking. I just said that Celestials are proven to be above Skyfathers on panel. Which was your first point. You've asked numerous times about where Celestials are shown above Odin, and I showed you... numerous times.
You then proceed to talk about some irrelevant shit while completely ignoring the possibility that Celestials are indeed above Odin... like what Marvel showed... on panel.

What you don't get is that I don't care about some high end feats when there's a direct comparison right thar. Hell, you went so far as to say Superman is on par with abstracts in DC because of his feats. Your logic is clearly retarded.

I'll be surprised if Rage comes to your rescue here (since you mentioned him saving you).

You showed ONE scene for over 20 years ago. Things change in comics. In that very same comic, 3 skyfathers and an Odin and all Asgard (except Thor) powered Destroyer couldn't phase them.

15 or so years later, Thor, by himself, busts a hole in Exitar's shell and then crushes his skull (which was said to be harder than his outer shell) and caused Exitar to flinch.

7 or so years later, the IW KILLED A CELESTIAL. Before you ***** and moan about her being their kryptonite, keep in mind any being capable of duplicating her powers energy signature (hyperspace) can do the same to a Celestial (since this event hasn't been retconned away).

There was an incident with Superman going up against Imperiex (or someone harnessing Impreiex's power) and actually pushing him back as he resisted. Imperiex was an abstract no?