Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk, Man-Beast, Hercules, and Juggernaut for starters.
The Juggernaut fights I saw, he was skilled in the use of the hammers powers: Cancelling out Juggs powers, teleportation, using it to battlefield remove Juggs to the moon.
But the parts where he fights bare handed, or tries hitting Juggs with his hammer, looks like brawling to me.
Compared with, say, Orions fight with Darkseid in Simonson's run...
Being a good brawler is a skill in of itself, though. And Thor's a great brawler. They even mention Thor's warrior background and being the greatest warrior around as the reason how and why he beats people with comparable or greater stats a lot. And the Asgardians exhibit skill in swordsmanship and warfare; they're not beserker Vikings. I think people have this notion you have to be a ninja or something in order to have skill.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i still see thor as the better fighter...i mean aside form BM, IH how many h2h battles did he actually have, and i dont count Ares
he has taken huge punches from thing like it was a fly swat. no effect. even thor would flinch from thing's best punches. thing has given the hulk problems. his fight with ultron was h2h & she had to run away/ use other methods to contend with him. he KOed Attuma with one punch. he punched namor into the ground within the span of 2 pages or so. namor couldn't even counter attack. a literal punch stomp into the street.
that aside, sentry was retconned into continuity so his untold stories are still yet untold. we don't know the full extent of his pure h2h skills.
conversely, how many purely (and significant) h2h thor battle have there been? this mean no hammer, no energy projection, no amping, no pis, no bs.
Originally posted by wildernesss
he has taken huge punches from thing like it was a fly swat. no effect. even thor would flinch from thing's best punches. thing has given the hulk problems. his fight with ultron was h2h & she had to run away/ use other methods to contend with him. he KOed Attuma with one punch. he punched namor into the ground within the span of 2 pages or so. namor couldn't even counter attack. a literal punch stomp into the street.that aside, sentry was retconned into continuity so his untold stories are still yet untold. we don't know the full extent of his pure h2h skills.
conversely, how many purely (and significant) h2h thor battle have there been? this mean no hammer, no energy projection, no amping, no pis, no bs.
you'd have to ask rage...he's the resident thor fanboy i believe.... 🙄 ..and if he's retconned into this MA skilled superclone it would make me hate the character more than i already do...i rather liked him as being ambigious
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Quite a bit, actually.
so there was no grappling/wrestling, kicking, no hammer, no energy projection, amping, etc, etc? those thor fights were h2h boxing matches/fist fights?
this is a pure fist fight/boxing thread. i still don't see thor overcoming sentry's blistering speed.
Originally posted by wildernesss
so there was no grappling/wrestling, kicking, no hammer, no energy projection, amping, etc, etc? those thor fights were h2h boxing matches/fist fights?this is a pure fist fight/boxing thread. i still don't see thor overcoming sentry's blistering speed.
No. Most involved Thor using his bare fists coupled with the skill he does possess stalemating or outright beating his opponent. A few of his fights involved Thor getting into tests of strength (ie. Hulk/Hercules) and stalemating their strength output.
I don't see Sentry overcoming the fact that Thor is a better fighter than he is. *shrug* The stips for these hobble Sentry just about as much as it they do Thor.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No. Most involved Thor using his bare fists coupled with the skill he does possess stalemating or outright beating his opponent. A few of his fights involved Thor getting into tests of strength (ie. Hulk/Hercules) and stalemating their strength output.I don't see Sentry overcoming the fact that Thor is a better fighter than he is. *shrug* The stips for these hobble Sentry just about as much as it they do Thor.
not really. thor is very reliant on his hammer. sentry is primarily seen using his fists. sentry has blistering speed that thor has no answer for. even without the speed, sentry has monsterous strength. thor loses here.
Originally posted by wildernesss
not really. thor is very reliant on his hammer. sentry is primarily seen using his fists. sentry has blistering speed that thor has no answer for. even without the speed, sentry has monsterous strength. thor loses here.
Sentry uses his fists coupled with his speed, flight, energy projection/"matter manipulation", etc. Sentry hardly ever engages foes on foot using nothing but his fists and speed - he "blitzes" people in the air more than anything...hell, if you can show me Sentry speedblitzing someone on the ground, I'd appreciate it. Thor on the other hand, has multiple instances of tossing Mjolnir aside and engaging a foe straight up and winning.
Thor has monsterous strength as well, as well as more consistent and better strength feats to boot.
Is this spite or sorely one sided then in your opinion as the OP?
Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't Thor match Cap without his powers at some point?The way he was portrayed in the movie was as a seriously skilled hand to hand expert. I'd think they drew that from the comics, and didn't just make it up...
Yes, he kept up with and was shown to be just as competent as Cap was in the thick of it when he was mortal.
There really ought to be no contention between Thor's skill level and Sentry's, imo.
Originally posted by cdtm
Didn't Thor match Cap without his powers at some point?The way he was portrayed in the movie was as a seriously skilled hand to hand expert. I'd think they drew that from the comics, and didn't just make it up...
how can thor even hit sentry when sentry can punch & maneuver faster than thor's neurons can even signal the brain to perform a physical movement? unless thor is just pissing into the wind & punching all over the place.