Thor VS The Sentry (In a Fist fight)

Thor's definitely tougher. Strength levels are pretty much a wash if Reynolds confident. Sentry is an "invulnerable" character so he'd normally be harder to actually injure but we know Thor's damage soak makes up for that advantage.

Anyways, the notion that's Sentry is as or more skilled than Thor is hilarious tbh. The argument that Thor using Mjolnir often somehow makes him less skilled than a brick who punches more is a silly one. We've seen Thor in plenty of hand to hand battles to know how formidable he is without the hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
HHHMM... I could see this happening.

http://comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=thor-2009120322060490&att=ThorKillsSentry_01_150.jpg&fullsize=yes

And I can see this happening:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry4.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry5.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's definitely tougher. Strength levels are pretty much a wash if Reynolds confident. Sentry is an "invulnerable" character so he'd normally be harder to actually injure but we know Thor's damage soak makes up for that advantage.

Anyways, the notion that's Sentry is as or more skilled than Thor is hilarious tbh. The argument that Thor using Mjolnir often somehow makes him less skilled than a brick who punches more is a silly one. We've seen Thor in plenty of hand to hand battles to know how formidable he is without the hammer.

And I can see this happening:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry4.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Non%20Cannon/KillsSentry5.jpg

as you yourself admit sentry is an 'invulnerable' character

sentry is also far faster

and yes, using a hammer doesn't indicate thor's skills with his fists...wouldnt someone who uses fists always be more skilled than someone who doesnt...common sense brah

and thor is much less formidable without mjolnir than with

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor is not definitely 'tougher'

as you yourself admit sentry is an 'invulnerable' character

sentry is also far faster

and yes, using a hammer doesn't indicate thor's skills with his fists...wouldnt someone who uses fists always be more skilled than someone who doesnt...common sense brah

and thor is much less formidable without mjolnir than with

Like I said, Thor is tougher. Sentry is harder to initially hurt most likely.

Sure he's faster, but I doubt that's going to matter much most of the time.

So Hulk is more skilled than Thor? Let's not forget that Thor's an immortal. For example, the few decades he has spent on modern Earth is basically a single afternoon to him.

Of course he is, but he almost always uses Mjolnir as a club so it doesn't change much.

Originally posted by Starscream M
and yes, using a hammer doesn't indicate thor's skills with his fists...wouldnt someone who uses fists always be more skilled than someone who doesnt...common sense brah

Except one of them has been fighting for over 2000 years. And a nice big chunk of that without the hammer. Guess which one I'm talking about.

Yes, Thor is tougher in the terms of damage soak/stamina which evens out Sentry's (relative) invulnerability. So Rage is correct on that stance. Sentry's faster, but not to the degree to massively overwhelm Thor as :

A.) Sentry hardly ever uses his speed in the context set up by the OP. And I would still appreciate any scans of Sentry using super speed without his flight and on foot; it would definitely help for the purposes of debating in this thread.

and

B). Thor has enough feats under his belt to justify being able to tag super-speedsters with his bare hands if he needs to.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Sure he's faster, but I doubt that's going to matter much most of the time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, Thor is tougher in the terms of damage soak/stamina which evens out Sentry's (relative) invulnerability. So Rage is correct on that stance. Sentry's faster, but not to the degree to massively overwhelm Thor as :

A.) Sentry hardly ever uses his speed in the context set up by the OP. And I would still appreciate any scans of Sentry using super speed without his flight and on foot; it would definitely help for the purposes of debating in this thread.

and

B). Thor has enough feats under his belt to justify being able to tag super-speedsters with his bare hands if he needs to.

Originally posted by Starscream M
but sentry has vastly superior speed reflexes than thor, and this alone imo would allow him to avoid getting hit by thor by quite a bit.

Such as what? I don't doubt that Sentry is faster than Thor, but the conditions of this fight hobble Sentry just as much as it does Thor. Thor's got far more experience fighting in fisticuffs on the ground against opponents with equal or superior physical attributes than Sentry does and to me, and correct me if I'm wrong with any issue numbers or scans, Sentry almost exclusively uses his speed during flight, which is barred for this fight.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Such as what? I don't doubt that Sentry is faster than Thor, but the conditions of this fight hobble Sentry just as much as it does Thor. Thor's got far more experience fighting in fisticuffs on the ground against opponents with equal or superior physical attributes than Sentry does and to me, and correct me if I'm wrong with any issue numbers or scans, Sentry almost exclusively uses his speed during flight, which is barred for this fight.

that has nothing to do with flight...that means he can see the bullet in slow motion and his arms move fast enough to catch it. that is not at all hobbled by this thread's stipulations.

thor's punches will be perceived slow enough for sentry to dodge.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he still is a bulletcatcher at the very least

that has nothing to do with flight...that means he can see the bullet in slow motion and his arms move fast enough to catch it. that is not at all hobbled by this thread's stipulations.

thor's punches will be perceived slow enough for sentry to dodge.

Thor's caught tank shells and other projectiles before and has also reacted to nigh instantaneous projectiles, though.

But has Sentry ever used his speed like that under these settings? Has he ever ran super fast similar to Superman or speedblitz someone without using flight? We all know or have heard of Thor's brawls with others bricks, but what fights are we basing Sentry's winning off of?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's caught tank shells and other projectiles before and has also reacted to nigh instantaneous projectiles, though.

But has Sentry ever used his speed like that under these settings? Has he ever ran super fast similar to Superman or speedblitz someone without using flight? We all know or have heard of Thor's brawls with others bricks, but what fights are we basing Sentry's winning off of?

and marvel has mostly slowpokes, so the writers can't really play up sentry's speed in fights as it would be too one-sided imo.

Originally posted by Starscream M
has sentry ever ran superfast? no, he hasn't. why the hell would he consider he can fly superfast.

and marvel has mostly slowpokes, so the writers can't really play up sentry's speed in fights as it would be too one-sided imo.

agreed...he has shown that he can move at extreme speeds and stop on a dime multiple times

here are some speed feats

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4633/hulk0811.jpg

looks like he ran here
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1586/sentry06oroboros003.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2217/darkavengers002pg20.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
has sentry ever ran superfast? no, he hasn't. why the hell would he consider he can fly superfast.

and marvel has mostly slowpokes, so the writers can't really play up sentry's speed in fights as it would be too one-sided imo.

Which is what I'm saying here. Thor, as we all know, has multiple instances of fighting exactly like how the OP stipulated, whereas Sentry has no such gauge and no experience to speak of. Him being physically superior in some aspects - and it's not enough to overwhelm Thor completely - is countered by Thor actually knowing how to fight and fight well without Mjolnir if need be. So any relevant Sentry speed feats that are as close to what the OP wants would be helpful in determining how Sentry handles or would conduct himself during a straight up fist fight.

Not really, at least not imo; if they wanted Sentry to be this insanely fast person outside of travel speed, they could. As is, he was shown to barely be able to out maneuver Extremis Iron Man during his "classic" era.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is what I'm saying here. Thor, as we all know, has multiple instances of fighting exactly like how the OP stipulated, whereas Sentry has no such gauge and no experience to speak of. Him being physically superior in some aspects - and it's not enough to overwhelm Thor completely - is countered by Thor actually knowing how to fight and fight well without Mjolnir if need be. So any relevant Sentry speed feats that are as close to what the OP wants would be helpful in determining how Sentry handles or would conduct himself during a straight up fist fight.

Not really, at least not imo; if they wanted Sentry to be this insanely fast person outside of travel speed, they could. As is, he was shown to barely be able to out maneuver Extremis Iron Man during his "classic" era.

i guess it is pure speculation on how sentry would fight in a pure fist fight

Originally posted by bbrem123

looks like he ran here
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1586/sentry06oroboros003.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2217/darkavengers002pg20.jpg

The second scan is clearly him flying though, but I'm not sure if you were arguing that point there or not.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You could argue the first scan is him running, but I'd argue its ambiguous either way.

The second scan is clearly him flying though, but I'm not sure if you were arguing that point there or not.

i agree with u on the first one

and no i was just showing his overall speed in the other...her head was off before she even knew sentry moved

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, because we all know speed plays a trivial role in fights between otherwise pretty equally matched combatants right? 🙄

In comics, speed rarely wins the match between equals unless it's a very specific speed oriented showing or we're dealing with a speedster.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he still is a bulletcatcher at the very least

that has nothing to do with flight...that means he can see the bullet in slow motion and his arms move fast enough to catch it. that is not at all hobbled by this thread's stipulations.

thor's punches will be perceived slow enough for sentry to dodge.

For the record, Thor is on that level as well. His knocked bullets out of the air, blocked close point blank shots and so on.

Other Asgardians such as Balder, Valkyrie and Masterson have better bullet based speed feats though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In comics, speed rarely wins the match between equals unless it's a very specific speed oriented showing or we're dealing with a speedster.

This is true, but isn't the point of forum discussions to do away with limiting factors in comics?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

For the record, Thor is on that level as well. His knocked bullets out of the air, blocked close point blank shots and so on.

Other Asgardians such as Balder, Valkyrie and Masterson have better bullet based speed feats though.

Isn't that by spinning his hammer really fast though?

That's different from Daredevil deflecting them with his baton.

He's caught shells from tanks casually.

And I'm pretty sure that stuff travels far faster than a bullet. Though to be fair they are a fair bit larger than bullets too. So that may even it out.